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    This ydna doesn't seem to be discussed. Am I right in saying its presence in Indo-Iranian populations (either iN Tajikistan, Iran, pakistan) is a reflection of turkic admixture? Its correlation with Turkic languages seems clear. Or is that only true for certain clusters?

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    Any group not common in Europe will not get as much interest.

    From http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2010146a.html

    Of the total of 193 R1b-M73 chromosomes detected, all except two Russians occurred outside Europe, either in the Caucasus, Turkey, the Circum-Uralic and North Pakistan regions (Figure 1c), in contrast to its considerably more widespread companion R1b-M269 clade (Figure 1d).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetick View Post
    Any group not common in Europe will not get as much interest.

    From http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2010146a.html

    Of the total of 193 R1b-M73 chromosomes detected, all except two Russians occurred outside Europe, either in the Caucasus, Turkey, the Circum-Uralic and North Pakistan regions (Figure 1c), in contrast to its considerably more widespread companion R1b-M269 clade (Figure 1d).
    I am guessing the Northern Pakistan samples are hazara. Would its presence among some Tajiks reflect some sort of finno-ugric/uralic admixture of the proto indo-iranians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    I am guessing the Northern Pakistan samples are hazara. Would its presence among some Tajiks reflect some sort of finno-ugric/uralic admixture of the proto indo-iranians?
    Possible but really I have no idea. Jaska or Polako probably each have opinions on that

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    It seems Turkic to me. I doubt it was present when Central Asia was East Iranian speaking.

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    Anybody else have any thoughts?

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    Interesting map.


    http://www.filipecardosopereira.com/..._Tree_DNA.html

    According to this map M73 is native to Central Asia. How come it doesn't pop up in Pakistanis and Afghans with the exception of Hazaras?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    Interesting map.


    http://www.filipecardosopereira.com/..._Tree_DNA.html

    According to this map M73 is native to Central Asia. How come it doesn't pop up in Pakistanis and Afghans with the exception of Hazaras?
    This map looks desperate, if I were to take a wild guess, I would assume that it was created by a European man who carries some sort of subclade of R1b1b2a.
    Y-DNA Ancestors
    Paternal Grandfather's Y-DNA --> R2a*
    Maternal Grandfather's Y-DNA --> J1*
    Maternal Grandmother's Y-DNA --> J2a4b*

    mtDNA Ancestors
    Maternal Grandmother's mtDNA --> T1*
    Paternal Grandmother's mtDNA --> H*

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    Quote Originally Posted by birko19 View Post
    This map looks desperate, if I were to take a wild guess, I would assume that it was created by a European man who carries some sort of subclade of R1b1b2a.
    Why would you say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    Why would you say that?
    Notice where he places R1b1b2a, this pretty much tells me this person wants to connect this lineage with steppe nomad Indo-Europeans.
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    Maternal Grandfather's Y-DNA --> J1*
    Maternal Grandmother's Y-DNA --> J2a4b*

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    Maternal Grandmother's mtDNA --> T1*
    Paternal Grandmother's mtDNA --> H*

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