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    Quote Originally Posted by Breogan View Post
    Is that my y-haplo?
    No, what is now I2a1b1 in ISOGG has never been called I2b1 in any nomenclature that I'm aware of. You're probably what is called I2a2a in the current ISOGG nomenclature.

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    Sample Niemcza_13 from Early Medieval Poland belongs to I2a-Din:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post255823

    So far none of Iron Age Polish samples belongs to I2a-Din or R1a.

    This is now one of the oldest I2a-Din samples in ancient DNA, right?:

    Niemcza_13 (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621+, mtDNA J1c3e1

    Location of Niemcza (to the west of Krosno):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Niemcza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Sample Niemcza_13 from Early Medieval Poland belongs to I2a-Din:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post255823

    So far none of Iron Age Polish samples belongs to I2a-Din or R1a.

    This is now one of the oldest I2a-Din samples in ancient DNA, right?:

    Niemcza_13 (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621+, mtDNA J1c3e1
    That's strange. That is very strange.
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioterus View Post
    That's strange. That is very strange.
    Why? Historians maintained Slavic expansion into Poland and eastern Germany from 7AD onwards a long time ago. Ken Nordtvedt and Vadim Verenich were claiming the origins of I-CTS10228 (Slavic) in north Carpathians of central Europe . TMRCA of the SNP (eastern Europe, mostly Slavic) is 2,300 ybp. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    Why? Historians maintained Slavic expansion into Poland and eastern Germany from 7AD onwards a long time ago. Ken Nordtvedt and Vadim Verenich were claiming the origins of I-CTS10228 (Slavic) in north Carpathians of central Europe . TMRCA of the SNP (eastern Europe, mostly Slavic) is 2,300 ybp. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/
    It's complete lack of any R1a that surprised me.
    If I2a-L621 was a part of "slavic package" and travelled together, then where they came from if my haplo seems Carpathia-centered.
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

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    Upto date tree under I-L621 which is common in eastern Europe : https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L621/

    Article by Vadim Verenich "Evolution of Dinaric subclade of I2a haplogroup" (in Russian) 41 page published in 2015
    ISBN : 9781326174156

    http://www.lulu.com/shop/http://www....-22027673.html

    And map of subclades under I-L621 : https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...1750000064&z=5


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    It looks like I-L621 is more diverse in eastern Poland and western Ukraine than the in the Balkans




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    It looks like I-L621 is more diverse in eastern Poland and western Ukraine than the in the Balkans

    See the discussions there -> @MagiQ asked me to publish his map in ABF
    Last edited by Pioterus; 2017-07-05 at 11:37.
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioterus View Post
    It's complete lack of any R1a that surprised me.
    I think they only published Non-R1 samples so far, and R1 samples will be published later.

    Note that among three Early Medieval Y-DNA samples analyzed so far there is also no R1a.

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