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    Default Feminism, Democracy and total equality..

    Ok, my theory is that Feminism:

    The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
    Is good and has been a crucial part of modern democracy, it has been a deciding factor in creating equality between the sexes, Equality:

    The state of being equal, esp. in status, rights, and opportunities.
    That is still needed to be reached in our society today, this equality is not only a battle for women, but also for men in that men today also have several areas where we are discriminated against due to our sex.

    A short "documentary"/Debate about women in the middle east today:

    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/wo...e-east-0022198

    Some parts taken from a talk by Michael Parenti, which touches on historical events:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ-20...eature=related

    One of the biggest battlefields is the language, even today we use terms such as Women, which literary means "with man", there are many more like this, some have been looked into, but many still need to be reviewed...

    Kk i will leave it there for now, best save some of my points for later
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    I like powerful women, especially in bed.

    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    That is still needed to be reached in our society today, this equality is not only a battle for women, but also for men in that men today also have several areas where we are discriminated against due to our sex.
    I have never been discriminated by being a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balder View Post
    I like powerful women, especially in bed.

    I have never been discriminated by being a man.
    I dont know what rights are in your country, but in Norway women have more rights concerning child custody and also in several job/study related situations where they are positively given "extra" points as to get ahead...
    I once tried thinking for an entire day, but I found it less valuable than one moment of study. I once tried standing up on my toes to see far out in the distance, but I found that I could see much farther by climbing to a high place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    One of the biggest battlefields is the language, even today we use terms such as Women, which literary means "with man", there are many more like this, some have been looked into, but many still need to be reviewed...
    I truly hope people don´t really argue over crap like that. If so they must be bored to death. That is pretty much the epitome of a non-issue right there.

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    I have never been discriminated by being a man.
    But I bet you´ve never gone through a divorce or a custody battle. Those are the circumstances in which such discrimination can often occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    I truly hope people don´t really argue over crap like that. If so they must be bored to death. That is pretty much the epitome of a non-issue right there.
    There are more important issues, but these things are actually hard battles for some traditionalists versus modernists, everyone have their reasons...
    I once tried thinking for an entire day, but I found it less valuable than one moment of study. I once tried standing up on my toes to see far out in the distance, but I found that I could see much farther by climbing to a high place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Ok, my theory is that Feminism:

    The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
    Is this really your view on Feminism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    I truly hope people don´t really argue over crap like that. If so they must be bored to death. That is pretty much the epitome of a non-issue right there.
    Quite the contrary. They are extreamly important. Through language you express the state, or nature of things - what is considered to be true and false.

    "One man, one vote"

    "A small step for man, a big step for man-kind"

    "All men are created equal"


    and so on...

    Women are compleatly overlooked. But what are men without women? Nothing really. Just a group of soon-to-be homosexuals with a death-mark on their species' head.

    For virtuall all mammals there are males and females. Together they comprise a species. You would NEVER refer to only "male horses" as horses, and female horses as something else the way that people use "Man" when they really mean "Humanity" or "Human".

    It's not just unfair - it's compleatly fucking absurd.

    I am in no way a feminist (other than that I subscribe to women having all rights that men have etc) but to speak of a species where 50% of them belong to one sex and just ignore the other is ridiculous.

    P.S. The abrahamic religions are mostly to blame for this stuff. They fooled people into thinking that "man" is the basis for mankind when it's in fact the other way around; women are the prototype. That's why men have nipples, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. john View Post
    Is this really your view on Feminism?
    That is the definition on feminism, but yes my attitude is pretty much in-line with that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Is good and has been a crucial part of modern democracy, it has been a deciding factor in creating equality between the sexes, Equality:
    That is a Marxist definition of Feminism. I do support the women rights and I also know there are several definitions of Feminism. I will focus on yours.

    Women live in the same conditions equality conditions in relevance to the men now than 500 hundred years ago. Keep in mind in mind there where a lot of social changes.
    Marie Antoinette had all the freedoms a woman can enjoy and also participation in politics, if you think the average women at that time have less rights, well you should know the average men didn't had rights at that time.
    For the Aristocracy, the only free social class, women were free and powerful.

    The difference between sexes is an illusion created by leftist politicians, for most part of the humanity the woman had a powerful position.
    Napoleon got part of his power because he married an important woman, Marie Louise of Austria.


    Now women don't live better or worse than 100 or 200 hundred years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balder View Post
    I have never been discriminated by being a man.
    In front of the police or in front of a Judge, you will be, believe me.
    It's basically near impossible to win against a woman in those occurences.
    Then there are many places when libidinous employers would choose a woman before a man (I personally would ).

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