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    I would say it is too early to tell, but as things stand, Africa looks to be the best candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochefaton View Post
    I would say it is too early to tell, but as things stand, Africa looks to be the best candidate.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandar Qasim View Post
    Well, it makes more sense if you look at the maternal lineages. There's evidence for a connection with Nilotes there, for example the L3 in West Africa came from the East through the Nile area. Also, those E1a/E1b1a migrations westwards took place so long ago that their basal markers went extinct in the Nile Basin but can still be found in Ethiopia.
    I though the origin of E1b1a was West Africa.

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    Most likely african in origin. But the syrian cases are difficult to explain much more than the tibetan ones (who could simply be pre-D as someone stated in the previous page). E* was also found in the Middle-East (Saudi and lebanese).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashrad View Post
    Most likely african in origin. But the syrian cases are difficult to explain much more than the tibetan ones (who could simply be pre-D as someone stated in the previous page). E* was also found in the Middle-East (Saudi and lebanese).
    If DE* is East African and not West Africa it can be easily explained by populations moving into Syria from East Africa at some point in history. Remember some Ancient Syrian bones had L2a1 Mtdna. I think 7k Years old.

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    I rather think L2a in Eurasia is connected to E1a since the latter exists, albeit at low frequencies, in Egypt and the Near East. Also, while E1b1a is almost absent in Europe, E1a can sometimes be found and is not connected with recent historical movements. But anything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgbk87 View Post
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    The Andamanese carry basal D* and C and more importantly, basal and divergent M lineages. They have the nappiest of nappy hair, and the closest to "black" skin you'll ever see. So I'm not getting the theory. It's all environmental.
    If there was a theory I had I / it wouldn't have been surprised / contradicted at what you wrote which is right on, but there was no non-environmental theory interms of phenotype -- I'm aware of both environment adamptation, convergent eveolution, as well as the fact its just a uniparental (paternal) marker, not necessarily a gene coding for how folks look.

    Just to be clear, I wasn't stating that I think that DE* is directly tied or even has to correlate with phenotype in and of itself (which could be implied from me saying it's so old it wouldn't matter if it were found in Northern Eurasia)

    I with my phenotypical observation (hair) was actually alluding to the very people you follow up to mention in your good post which are the Andamanese -- alluding to them in perhaps too incomplete and / or unclear a fashion I suppose with respect to those not on my wavelength and / or already 'there' (posessing knowledge) such as yourself. Was alluding to the fact they're like the Andamanese, who are major D carriers and carrying the basal.

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    Let us make revision!

    1) Haplogroup BT is descended from Haplogroup A2-T about 70,000 years bp, possibly originating in western North Africa or central West Africa

    2)CT-M168 has been referred to in popularized accounts as being the lineage of "Eurasian Adam"
    No male in paragroup CT* has yet been discovered. All known surviving descendant lineages of CT are in one of two major sub-clades, CF and DE.
    3)The haplogroup CF* is hypothetical because no male in haplogroup CF* has yet been discovered.
    Haplogroup C seems to have come into existence shortly after SNP mutation M168 occurred.
    Haplogroup F may have appeared 48,000 (38,700-55,700) years ago, probably in Eurasia

    4)DE-YAP descend from CT-M168, which is called the "Eurasian Adam".

    So far DE* was found in Africa and Asia! D was

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    It's really difficult to say, but CT is Eurasian, and if ancient DNA is found, corroborating DE* outside of Africa, then D could very well be non-African in origin.
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