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    Quote Originally Posted by Meygaag View Post
    Do you prefer to be called negro-centrics? Since we're on this topic what pronoun do you prefer to be refered as?

    All jokes aside negroes were denying the fact that Afro-Asiatic descended people helped create the civilizations of major parts of SSA whether the Berber/R1B-V88 men of the Sahel to the Cushitic descended folks of the eastern parts of Africa.If true what @Truthcentric has heard then it will only strengthen the hamitic hypothesis
    I really don't understand, I'm not sure if I've encountered a serious collective group who'd deny African contribution to Africa whether they were Berber or Horners yet refer to themselves as Afrocentered. Believing Berbers of a certain phenotype aren't indigenous (prior to aDNA suggesting otherwise) is one thing but to alienate a Uniparental that is at its Highest frequency in the belly of central Africa seems rather counter productive.... are you sure you aren't fighting ghosts man??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Depends which prehistoric North Africa you mean. There's a preprint here saying that Neolithic North Africans (you know, the ones who replaced the hunter-gatherers there), were fully West Eurasian. Makes sense.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/21/191569

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    E1b has been present throughout South Africa long before the Iron age primarily passed on by Khoisan remnants. The main reason for Great Zimbabwe's existence was to act as the middle men in the trade for interior precious metals and ivory with the Kilwa sultanate, this is a role that other Bantu kingdoms in the great lakes region performed such as the Buganda Kingdom. Whatever minimal Eurasian markers might be found not linked to E1b may be the result of extensive contact with the Bantu-Persian shirazi merchants of the Kilwa Sultanate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthcentric View Post
    Science is always full of surprises. I guess the Bantu came in later and were influenced by the Cushitic-like people who built Great Zimbabwe. Heck, it might have been that the Bantu wiped out the original Great Zimbabweans and appropriated their culture. Who knows?

    The Cushitic-like people who built Great Zimbabwe are the Lemba. The genetic evidence revealed Yamnaya-like male-dominated gene flow from Semitic immigrants from the Levant who formed founding groups for the Lemba and they admixed with Bantu neighbors. The genetic studies have found no Semitic female contribution to the Lemba gene pool. 30% of Lemba Y chromosomes can be labeled of Bantu origin (Haplogroup E), and the majority (70%) of Semitic origin with Haplogroup J.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdTerm View Post
    The Cushitic-like people who built Great Zimbabwe are the Lemba. The genetic evidence revealed Yamnaya-like male-dominated gene flow from Semitic immigrants from the Levant who formed founding groups for the Lemba and they admixed with Bantu neighbors. The genetic studies have found no Semitic female contribution to the Lemba gene pool. 30% of Lemba Y chromosomes can be labeled of Bantu origin (Haplogroup E), and the majority (70%) of Semitic origin with Haplogroup J.
    It was the Shona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roseai View Post
    It was the Shona.
    All kidding aside, that's what I am inclined to think too.
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    The ancestors of the Shona and the Lemba lived in the region where the Gokomere culture flourished and both groups claim that their ancestors built Great Zimbabwe. The maShona, the waRozwi and the Lemba peoples emerged in the modern era from the ancient Bantu people who inhabited the area of Great Zimbabwe. There was no common ethnic identity among the peoples now forming the Shona of today until the 19th century. The Lemba people's dubious Jewish identity was also invented by Christian missionaries.

    The ancient Bantu people who inhabited the area of Great Zimbabwe around the 4th century AD probably built the complex between 1000 and 1200 AD. The Gokomere traded via ancient trading routes over the Chimanimani mountains on the current Zimbabwe / Mozambique border with the Swahili civilization on the Kenyan and Tanzanian coast. This group gave rise to the maShona and the waRozwi tribes. They may also comprise the majority of the African ancestry of the Lemba people, who claim descent from the ancient Jews via Sena in Yemen, this belief however is due to Christian influence. The modern descendants of the waRozwi are called the baRotse tribe. Gokomere also refers to a school located close to the town of Masvingo. They speak the Karanga language and second languages like English in Zimbabwe and Sena, Ndau dialect of Shona, and Portuguese in Mozambique.
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