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    Question Hello again dg13 here

    I took a Big Y and found out that I am a very rare bird. I am a J1-ZS4376. I am so rare that I have no matches at all. All help is really appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg13 View Post
    I took a Big Y and found out that I am a very rare bird. I am a J1-ZS4376. I am so rare that I have no matches at all. All help is really appreciated.
    Interesting development, I'm sure @Semitic Duwa can enlighten us on your obscure subclade.
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    I am P58 negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg13 View Post
    I am P58 negative.
    And L136+ ZS4376 is a sub-branch of PF7263, which is a branch of PF7264 (the other, more famous branch of PF7264 is P56, which is common around the Red Sea, mostly in Yemen and the Horn). ZS4376's TMRCA is roughly 3,500 years old, so you can discard an arrival with Neolithic farmers (J1 has never been found in Neolithic remains anyway) or during the Chalcolithic/Early Bronze Age. Its distribution is rather unclear, there are two major subclades, ZS9949 and ZS10589, the former seems to be European while the latter is found among Ashkenazi Jews, Arabians (most claim to be Hashemite) and a handful of Southern Europeans. If you carry ZS10589 (TMRCA ~ 3,000 yBP) I'd say your paternal ancestors were probably Jewish, if not there isn't much I can say, save perhaps that your ancestors probably came from northern Mesopotamia 3,000 years ago.

    Like you said, you're a very rare bird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    And L136+ ZS4376 is a sub-branch of PF7263, which is a branch of PF7264 (the other, more famous branch of PF7264 is P56, which is common around the Red Sea, mostly in Yemen and the Horn). ZS4376's TMRCA is roughly 3,500 years old, so you can discard an arrival with Neolithic farmers (J1 has never been found in Neolithic remains anyway) or during the Chalcolithic/Early Bronze Age. Its distribution is rather unclear, there are two major subclades, ZS9949 and ZS10589, the former seems to be European while the latter is found among Ashkenazi Jews, Arabians (most claim to be Hashemite) and a handful of Southern Europeans. If you carry ZS10589 (TMRCA ~ 3,000 yBP) I'd say your paternal ancestors were probably Jewish, if not there isn't much I can say, save perhaps that your ancestors probably came from northern Mesopotamia 3,000 years ago.

    Like you said, you're a very rare bird.
    Thank you for your help. Came from northern Mesopotamia 3,000 years ago? That is unbelievably GREAT! What should I do with this information if I want to find out more or is it simply a waiting game now for a more recent cousin to get tested? That could be a very long time.
    Any idea as to what people were their ancestors?
    I searched for SZ10589 and came up with zero.

    Are there any groups I should belong to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg13 View Post
    Thank you for your help. Came from northern Mesopotamia 3,000 years ago? That is unbelievably GREAT! What should I do with this information if I want to find out more or is it simply a waiting game now for a more recent cousin to get tested? That could be a very long time.
    Any idea as to what people were their ancestors?
    I searched for SZ10589 and came up with zero.

    Are there any groups I should belong to?
    In terms of likeliness, yes, your ancestors are likely to have lived in northern Mesopotamia some 3,000 years ago, this is because PF7263 is also found in the Zagros. As to how or when your ancestors made it to Germany, your guess is as good as mine, BTW it's ZS10589, not SZ...

    You've already taken the Big Y test, so it's just a waiting game from now on. All you have to do now is cross your fingers and wait for ZS4376 or PF7263 to show up in several ancient samples... That might come sooner than expected, mind you, just because your branch is rare nowadays doesn't mean this always was the case, far from it

    If you haven't joined the J1 FTDNA project, I strongly suggest you do so right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg13 View Post
    Thank you for your help. Came from northern Mesopotamia 3,000 years ago? That is unbelievably GREAT! What should I do with this information if I want to find out more or is it simply a waiting game now for a more recent cousin to get tested? That could be a very long time.
    Any idea as to what people were their ancestors?
    I searched for SZ10589 and came up with zero.

    Are there any groups I should belong to?
    If you're on 23andMe, you should check your relative finder and see if you have any Assyrian relatives. I've noticed some white Americans as distant relatives, you could very well have some Assyrian ancestor or something down the lines from the 1800s; some Assyrians began migrating to America starting from the late 19th century or so. I don't think most of those white Americans with relatively recent Assyrian ancestry, are even aware of it.
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    I have joined the J1- FTDNA group but don't get very much analysis there like you gave me here. Thank you again very much. I am very excited about this.

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    Thank you for your reply. I do not belong to 23&me.

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