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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    I will make a clarification for those who are unable to spot such basic trolling.

    This thread is about the inhabitants of the British Isles from before 1200AD and their descendents.
    Some people still arrived in XIV and XVth century, what about them?



    ok no worries, I wont be messing anymore, even though it was initially not intended to troll but to show another perspective (Lib-Dem)
    Am I right or am I wrong?

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    Kwestos, lately you sound like someone who is being deported. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    The Norman impact is unimportant not because of who they were, but because of the small numbers involved. Roughly 7-10,000 people crossed the channel, with a population of up to 2 or 3 million in England alone.
    I bet that there were at least 10 or 20 times as many the Normans. This 10 000 knights Guillaume le Bâtard this was the beginning. After winning the battle, they brought their servants, their wives (if were nice ), a variety of artisans and merchants. Then they, in turn, brought their families, etc.
    Next the Normans had an advantage in the number of available local women. Their genetic footprint could be quite large.

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    By the way, my paternal line is English. Seems to have been there for several hundred or maybe a few thousand years. Probably oriented around the eastern coast. The next closest matches found so far, prior to various splits and expansions, are in the neighborhood of modern Turkey, Armenia, or Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseman View Post
    I bet that there were at least 10 or 20 times as many the Normans. This 10 000 knights Guillaume le Bâtard this was the beginning. After winning the battle, they brought their servants, their wives (if were nice ), a variety of artisans and merchants. Then they, in turn, brought their families, etc.
    Next the Normans had an advantage in the number of available local women. Their genetic footprint could be quite large.
    Well, you could be right.

    As I said before though, these people were basically made up of the same components as the existing population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwestos View Post
    Some people still arrived in XIV and XVth century, what about them?
    The English ethnicity had already been established before these newcomers. These newcomers did not share the heritage or culture with the English, ergo they aren't English in the way I am talking about it. If at some point in the future these newcomers mix with the English and form a new homogeneous population, they become an ethnicity, albeit different from English.

    The definition ethnicity being used here is a group of people with similar culture and heritage. Where they live, and how long they live there isn't what really matters, apart from giving am ethnic group a name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerinese View Post
    Kwestos, lately you sound like someone who is being deported. :/
    Because I am!

    I went into this moaning mode indeed, especially after those BBC reports, but its all semi-serious. I am kind of putting myself in a position of a racially abused whiner, normally reserved for blacks or Jews
    It is to provoke and see reactions. Normally I take a position of a cool hippie cosmopolitan guy and some people accuse me of being eurofaggot and western wannabe- so I became a whiner for change!

    I assume I am performing very good then?

    (actually the first time I did it was the thread about 'racist Scandinavians', I liked it!)
    Am I right or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    But it is common in both Iberia and Britain.
    How else could that be explained than with some important link?
    it comes from the Franco-Cantabrian refuge around 12,000 years ago, its also found in the Netherlands and west Germany at high (around 70%) values

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    The British have multiple origins. The English is germanic, not only culturally. They are perhaps even more genetically germanic than the Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheamus View Post
    did the Romans (Italians) left any genetics in britain?
    Yes they did

    Scroll down to `Uncommon Y Haplogroups` (ie, Abergele)
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    Prw medd, Prw medd, prw'r gwariheg i dre',
    Prw milfach a malfach, pedair llualfach,
    Llualfach ac Aeli, pedair lafi,
    Lafi a chromwen, pedair nepwen,
    Nepwen drwynog, brech yn llyn a gwaun dodyn,
    Tair bryncethin, tair cyffredin,
    Tair caseg ddu, draw yn yr eithin;
    Dewch i gyd i lys y brenin.

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