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    Default Ideas to improve Europe's birthrate?

    It's pretty obvious that Europe is going through a crisis in a lot of ways, and one of those ways is the declining fertility rate. The birthrates of pretty much every European country is way below 2.1 which is the replacement rate. That means that if things continue the way they are, Europe eventually won't be able sustain it's native population. There are definitely a lot of factors that are contributing to this but I think it makes a lot more sense to look for a solution than point fingers or whatever because one thing is clear, unless they want their continent to be youth-less and full of older people in a few decades, Europeans need to have more children and they need to start having them soon.

    These figures are from 1960-2009. Ireland and Iceland are the only European countries with a birthrate over 2 children per woman and most of the other countries have awful fertility rates. It's been a trend for a while.




    So, what's a good solution? I think one of the most obvious fixes would be financial aid and pensions for each baby a couple has, there are a lot of people who might think it's not a good idea to have more kids because of their economic situation and these are tough times financially. If that burden is lessened a little, they might start having more children. But what else is there?
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    Have more sex and use less contraception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Have more sex and use less contraception.

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    That's way too simplistic, looking for actual solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedgirl View Post
    So, what's a good solution? I think one of the most obvious fixes would be pensions and financial aid for each baby a couple has, there are a lot of people who might think it's not a good idea to have more kids because of their economic situation and these are tough times financially. If that burden is lessened a little, they might start having more children. But what else is there?
    A serious cultural change has to happen across the Western world for the birth rates to increase. In my area it has more to do with the fact that white Americans are more reluctant to accept the personal responsibilities associated with child rearing.

    If you have children, you can't do what you want anymore, and a lot of white people I know don't like that idea, it seems. I also hear the typical response from women of "pregnancy will ruin my body" and men of "I don't think I can give my child as good of a life as I was given due to the economy, so I'm just not going to have any".

    In short, I don't know what we can do, but I don't think government subsidies are the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedgirl View Post
    That's way too simplistic, looking for actual solutions.
    Okay, then decriminalise rape.

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    Interesting is that Iceland is quite 'libertine' while Ireland is 'ethically conservative'. It doesn't appear to have to do with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedgirl View Post
    That's way too simplistic, looking for actual solutions.
    something tells me that white Americans who are not religious have the same problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    Interesting is that Iceland is quite 'libertine' while Ireland is 'ethically conservative'. It doesn't appear to have to do with this.
    yup, that's true. I'd really expected the Catholic countries to have way higher birth rates but Italy and Spain have very low rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    Interesting is that Iceland is quite 'libertine' while Ireland is 'ethically conservative'. It doesn't appear to have to do with this.
    Ireland and Iceland both went through serious economic hardship around 2009 and it did not affect their birthrates. I don't think the economy can be the sole reason birthrates are falling either.
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    On the one hand... Everytime, less and less labour will be necessary as technology will replace it. Robots make mechanical tasks faster and cheaper than the cheaper worker. So everytime will be more difficult to get income. You cannot have babies without a regular income. I'm the first one who would like to have a child, but I cannot afford it. However, immigrants carry on and on having babies. I don't know how they manage to do it.

    On the another one, I think non-Europeans should cut down on having seven or eight children by family. How? Firstly, not giving them a fucking euro (a "present" from the welfare state). I know this could bring social trouble, but then we should expell the one who breaks the law. Secondly, making our borders as safe as Australia's.

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