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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Perhaps next they can manufacture a black hole into which we can throw our money.
    Actually this bunch of pretentious old men playing God have the black hole created in a Swiss town. The Black Hole formed after the collapse of the CERN project -and it continues to grow by absorbing money from the European taxpayers' wallets.
    The way I see it, there're two types of people: those who spend their lives trying to build a future. And those who spend their lives trying to rebuild the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Then it is a total waste of money.
    If there is little return on investment, it is a project that has lowered the standard of living for many people.
    Well, maybe 50 years ago, someone just like you assessed the space industry, which also cost a lot and gave nothing in everyday life. Today, satellite-based telecommunications, is the basis of industry worth many times more than in the past invested in research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseman View Post
    Well, maybe 50 years ago, someone just like you assessed the space industry, which also cost a lot and gave nothing in everyday life. Today, satellite-based telecommunications, is the basis of industry worth many times more than in the past invested in research.
    If something is judged to have any value by a large number of people and there aren't huge costs in making it, there is a profit in selling it, which means private companies will be happy to invest their money in researching it. Are private companies funding the LHC? No, so it is a waste of money.

    What is happening here, is that we are spending billions on something that will not do anything useful in the near future. 50 years from now, when it may actually be valuable research, able to improve the standard of living, the research would be much cheaper due to technological advances and such. What is the rush? It's like a caveman inventing the computer. Great, but he doesn't have an electricity supply.

    So the scientists 50 years ago spent a lot of taxpayers money, satellites are all well and good, but most telecommunications today take place via undersea cables.

    Governments are ignoring opportunity cost.
    Is this the best use of all that money and all those resources? Clearly not, when much of the world lives in poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Then it is a total waste of money.
    If there is little return on investment, it is a project that has lowered the standard of living for many people.
    It's a project that has reaffirmed Human understanding of the universe. How is that not something to admire? Part of advancing humanity is advancing our understandings of nature.

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    Great discovery.......! Boson.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fact-Finder View Post
    It's like using Leonardo Dicaprio to play Rambo or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethioboy View Post
    It's a project that has reaffirmed Human understanding of the universe. How is that not something to admire? Part of advancing humanity is advancing our understandings of nature.
    That's absolutely great, but was it worth spending all those billions on, especially when it merely confirms something they already thought?

    Professor Jos Engelen, Cern's chief scientist:
    "Even in my wildest imagination I can't think of this discovery having a practical application."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    If something is judged to have any value by a large number of people and there aren't huge costs in making it, there is a profit in selling it, which means private companies will be happy to invest their money in researching it. Are private companies funding the LHC? No, so it is a waste of money.

    What is happening here, is that we are spending billions on something that will not do anything useful in the near future. 50 years from now, when it may actually be valuable research, able to improve the standard of living, the research would be much cheaper due to technological advances and such. What is the rush? It's like a caveman inventing the computer. Great, but he doesn't have an electricity supply.

    So the scientists 50 years ago spent a lot of taxpayers money, satellites are all well and good, but most telecommunications today take place via undersea cables.

    Governments are ignoring opportunity cost.
    Is this the best use of all that money and all those resources? Clearly not, when much of the world lives in poverty.
    Corporations are planning for several years. Then the boards are already in retirement, or will work for another corporation. They are not interested in what will be in 20-30-50 years. In this way, you would have to stop the most basic research. In some areas need more than 3-5 years to get the effect.
    CERN is, of course, financed by rich countries and poverty in many countries is to it nohow. If the money (spent to basic research) be spent on improving living standards in rich countries, it is probably all would go to such marketing in the automotive industry and will persuade people that need a car with oval headlights in place of the round (or vice versa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseman View Post
    Corporations are planning for several years. Then the boards are already in retirement, or will work for another corporation. They are not interested in what will be in 20-30-50 years. In this way, you would have to stop the most basic research. In some areas need more than 3-5 years to get the effect.
    CERN is, of course, financed by rich countries and poverty in many countries is to it nohow. If the money (spent to basic research) be spent on improving living standards in rich countries, it is probably all would go to such marketing in the automotive industry and will persuade people that need a car with oval headlights in place of the round (or vice versa)
    I can't be bothered replying to that garbled nonsense.

    It is pretty clear that this is an expensive discovery with zero benefit anywhere apart from the ivory tower and that there are many other much better uses of those resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    That's absolutely great, but was it worth spending all those billions on, especially when it merely confirms something they already thought?

    Professor Jos Engelen, Cern's chief scientist:
    "Even in my wildest imagination I can't think of this discovery having a practical application."
    Well it didnt necessarily confirm previous thought, we just know that there is a higgs like particle, its full properties are yet to be discovered, and if they differ from classical explanations then the effect it would have on our knowledge of physics would be just as profound as it not being found.

    Also you are right there is no practical application to discoveries and it certainly is alot of money however science is not all about finding practical applications, as that in itself would not be possible without understanding the world around us in the first place.

    Besides the research isn't funded by taxes to my knowledge at least.. its mostly grants and private funding which you can't really argue against..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    I can't be bothered replying to that garbled nonsense.

    It is pretty clear that this is an expensive discovery with zero benefit anywhere apart from the ivory tower and that there are many other much better uses of those resources.
    For example?

    There are many examples of how that money is invested in basic research after many years of bringing multiple profit.

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