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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    The Red Army was the most overrated army ever.
    Really? What you say about the Americans and the British? 80% of German forces fighting in the east. In spite of this, Americans and the British who fought against 20% of the of the German forces, were tripping in place for several months in France and Italy.
    The Red Army broke the 1.2 million Japanese in Manchuria in a few days. For Americans, the same thing, would take many months.
    You can not compare the Red Army in 1940 and 1945. In 1945 the Red Army was quite efficient.
    Also, the Americans and British were able to defeat the Germans only when they have multiple advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skomand View Post
    Here's a recorded conversation between Hitler and Mannerheim (English subtitled, Mannerheim speaks fluent German).
    Mannerheim was a former life guard of the Czar. He spoke russian as a native and most probably really loved russian nation and culture, he was for instance married to a russian woman and had children with her. He also constantly denied the suggestions of the Germans to attack St. Petersburg, his former home town.

    Finland, nor Mannerheim, did not want a war against the Russians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseman View Post
    Really? What you say about the Americans and the British? 80% of German forces fighting in the east. In spite of this, Americans and the British who fought against 20% of the of the German forces, were tripping in place for several months in France and Italy.
    The Red Army broke the 1.2 million Japanese in Manchuria in a few days. For Americans, the same thing, would take many months.
    You can not compare the Red Army in 1940 and 1945. In 1945 the Red Army was quite efficient.
    Also, the Americans and British were able to defeat the Germans only when they have multiple advantages.
    The Americans and British were fighting Germans who were in defensive positions and had the advantage, lol, the Soviets had more troops numerically, no wonder 80% of German forces were deployed on the Eastern front. The biggest mistake Germany made on its Eastern front was not taking advantage of the fact that most of the territories in the former Soviet Union were anti-Russian like the Ukranians for example, instead they brutalized those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseman View Post
    Really? What you say about the Americans and the British? 80% of German forces fighting in the east. In spite of this, Americans and the British who fought against 20% of the of the German forces, were tripping in place for several months in France and Italy.
    The Red Army broke the 1.2 million Japanese in Manchuria in a few days. For Americans, the same thing, would take many months.
    You can not compare the Red Army in 1940 and 1945. In 1945 the Red Army was quite efficient.
    Also, the Americans and British were able to defeat the Germans only when they have multiple advantages.
    Another thing to take into account was the fact that they, Germans, had to cover up for the Italian blunders in Greece, East and North Africa. If the Italian Army would have had a similar level of competence as, say, the IJA (Imperial Japanese Army), then things would have been far more difficult for the Allies.
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    From reading what I read here and reading history books in France the Soviet Union was indeed overrated and had a bigger bark than bite in WW2. If Finland, with far smaller military could defeat the Soviets, Germany, if not involved in a two front war would have destroyed the entire Soviet Union.
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    A verbal treasure. Molotov, Russian foreign minister during the war, said after the war:
    "How merciful were we to Finland? Molotov recalled in 1974. "We were smart when we didn't invade. It would have been a festering wound. People out there are stubborn, very stubborn - - We failed to democratize Finland."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    The Red Army was the most overrated army ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    From reading what I read here and reading history books in France the Soviet Union was indeed overrated and had a bigger bark than bite in WW2. If Finland, with far smaller military could defeat the Soviets, Germany, if not involved in a two front war would have destroyed the entire Soviet Union.
    Looks like you were raised on Hollywood.

    Finland sued for peace and lost a lot of territory, including valuable nickel mines.

    Germany lost most of its army in Russia, including the best divisions, and also the war.

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    Soviet army was battered in the beginning of German invasion, but it was never destroyed. The factories behind the front-line began producing weapons and equipment. The logistics were improved and many men were mobilised. The army was regrouped becoming more organised. Soviet army of the 1939-1941 was different to the army in 1943-1945. The circumstances in the winter war and the war between Germany and Soviet Union were different too. The very existence of the Soviet state was on the line. Why was SU unprepared? Germany entered the era of re-armament between 1918-1939, while Russia had a civil war and a struggle between classes jailing many politicians, scientists and military commanders by Stalin in the late 30s.

    As the famous saying goes "Every war is different, each war is the same".

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    The Red Army relied on numbers and alcohol. Large uprisings deep behind German lines did their job, too.

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