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    Actually for me the far more interesting question is how some of the most wonderful design in the world can emerge from this sort of environment (Finnish or Japanese). For example Alvar Aalto is one of my personal heroes, a giant. Heck, I even put together my own personal shrine to a jewel of a building he did here in Reykjavik: http://www.daturner.com/aalto/

    The Finnish and Japanese effortless flair for elevating the simple to the sublime is untouchable.

    Something to do with allowing for space, both physical and existential? Silence of course is important, so that ones senses become more attuned to the possible, the invisible.

    How the heck does it happen? How do those stoic Finns or Japanese, God bless 'em do it. Dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homus Afrikaans View Post
    Actually for me the far more interesting question is how some of the most wonderful design in the world can emerge from this sort of environment (Finnish or Japanese). For example Alvar Aalto is one of my personal heroes, a giant. Heck, I even put together my own personal shrine to a jewel of a building he did here in Reykjavik: http://www.daturner.com/aalto/

    The Finnish and Japanese effortless flair for elevating the simple to the sublime is untouchable.

    Something to do with allowing for space, both physical and existential? Silence of course is important, so that ones senses become more attuned to the possible, the invisible.

    How the heck does it happen? How do those stoic Finns or Japanese, God bless 'em do it. Dunno.
    I worked for Ahlstrom corporation, who own Villa Mairea by Alvar Aalto.

    It is beautiful in it's environment surrounded by massive pine trees and sitting on a rocky hill. The building has to be exprerienced, if you do not believe the magic it has inside and outside.

    http://www.designboom.com/history/aalto/villa.html
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    Funny discussion. Japans are genetically the most distant people for Finns before Oceanians and Subsaharian people. Should we at first discuss about Finns and Austalian Aborigonals or Italian connections with ancient Mayas to have base for the discusion about connections between Finns and Swedes? I have understood by reading this board that Finns and Swedes are the most distant people on the earth.
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    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    This is a good one.
    Finns & Japanese are not much different. Similar languages, looks, act similar ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolskiMoc View Post
    This is a good one.
    Finns & Japanese are not much different. Similar languages, looks, act similar ect.


    Yes, I'm sure that countries with average male heights on 1.815cm respectively 1.715cm are very similar in looks.
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    Is that true? I have similar dreams, though about eugenics... I see images and craniums in front of me in the dreams. Words like sterilization, Germanics and others fly around as fragments in my head... scary stuff that I often dream about.

    Then I go up, and look at myself in profile and from the front and in all angles, in all my mirrors that I have mounted up everywhere, and realise my Mongolian heritage and how the Swedes view me. Sometimes I cannot see the difference between myself and a Mongol, if the environment is cloudy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polskimoc View Post
    this is a good one.
    Finns & japanese are not much different. Similar languages, looks, act similar ect.
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    I disagree, few Japanese people are Tungids, which is the predominant phenotype in inner Mongolia and Finland proper.

    Isn't that so Viking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azvarohi View Post
    I disagree, few Japanese people are Tungids, which is the predominant phenotype in inner Mongolia and Finland proper.

    Isn't that so Viking?
    Of course. How could I forget about the Finnish Tungids? Didn't Lundman also write that there are some Sinids in eastern Finland (Karelia and Savolax)?
    Quote Originally Posted by A Finn with experience of anthropology forums
    Is that true? I have similar dreams, though about eugenics... I see images and craniums in front of me in the dreams. Words like sterilization, Germanics and others fly around as fragments in my head... scary stuff that I often dream about.

    Then I go up, and look at myself in profile and from the front and in all angles, in all my mirrors that I have mounted up everywhere, and realise my Mongolian heritage and how the Swedes view me. Sometimes I cannot see the difference between myself and a Mongol, if the environment is cloudy.

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    Met my first Japanese acquaintance in Finland.
    He had only been in the country for a month (or was it two?) and was already almost fluent in Finnish. Very impressing. He said that learning Finnish was so easy, because Japanese and Finnish sound so similar. (But of course none of the words mean the same thing).

    One of my best female friends is Japanese. We went to college together and became quite inseparable for years in sheer joy of just being together sharing many common interests.

    Then one Japanese bloke and I lived in a shared house situation with some British descent Australians, and although we all socially lived our separate lives, at home "Masa" (my cousin's nick also) and I always gravitated to each others company, where we felt most at ease and natural to be ourselves. We kept in touch for quite long time afterwards, even when he moved back to Japan.

    So personally speaking, I think that there is something to be said about Finnish and Japanese getting on well with each other. Depends I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Homus Afrikaans View Post
    The Finnish and Japanese effortless flair for elevating the simple to the sublime is untouchable.

    Something to do with allowing for space, both physical and existential? Silence of course is important, so that ones senses become more attuned to the possible, the invisible.
    Form and space. So often when we perceive, the mechanical mind only focuses on "objects" without incorporating space into perception. Therefore I absolutely love Zen pottery, the interplay between form and emptiness.

    Or the vastness of space in Basho's frog Haiku:

    Breaking the silence
    Of an ancient pond,
    A frog jumped into water —
    A deep resonance.


    From the utterly simple to the sublime.

    And from the stillness and silence of the Zen Rock Garden:
    http://photos.lewisfamilia.net/image...en_1_b42fc.jpg

    to the Chapel of Silence to be constructed in Helsinki:
    http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/...2s020709_1.jpg

    Very Zenish.

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    PolskiMOc's comment about gay men reminds me that old Swedish tribes practiced homosexual rites. Young boys after age of pubertety were used by older men before they were accepted to have men's rights in their society.
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