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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I disagree with this evaluation. The I1 indeed indicates the difference in Germanic input between the English and the Welsh--over twice as high in the English, and probably moreso considering that one of the recognizably "non-Germanic" subclades of I1 (nicknamed I1-AS4 by Nordtvedt) is exclusively Welsh. Looking at the R1b subclades also tells us more than you're letting on, as the English are high in R1b-U106, typical of modern West Germanic peoples, while the Welsh are very high in R1b-L21, which has a more Celtic-type distribution.

    In addition, most of the English form a tight full-genome cluster indicative of recent arrivals from a foreign stock (see the recent maps from the People of the British Isles). When compared against other groups at Eurogenes, we find Kentish people (part of the PotBI "Anglo-Saxon" cluster) looking closer to the Dutch than the Cornish, Irish, or SW Scots:
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    SW Scots: 4/30/48/0/0/0/17
    Cornish: 2/29/48/0/0/4/17
    Kentish: 4/40/35/0/0/5/16
    Dutch: 5/45/29/0/0/10/10

    Overall, I think the evidence is pretty strong for more than 10% Anglo-Saxon input. I don't have a good guess for how much overall, especially because it varies so much by region, but I'd say that a guess of over 50% in some places like East Anglia would be reasonable. The Anglo-Saxon input seems to dwindle quickly in places like Devon and Cumbria, though, and is extremely limited in Cornwall. I see less evidence for Viking input, though.
    Anglo-Saxon input may be 50% or more in East Anglia but most English regions are only 10%-40% Anglo-Saxon input on average and around half of that in Cornwall; Which is statistically significant but the Anglo-Saxons ' main contribution to the British Isles is obviously cultural rather than genetic.
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    More Celtic/Briton but also significantly AngloSaxon.

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