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    Default Karjalankieliset uutiset ja lastenohjelmia 2013?

    Olen antanut YLE:lle vuosia sitten palautteita ja nyt näyttäisi viimein tapahtuvan jotain.
    Ehkä jo vuoden 2013 alussa meillä olisi karjalankieliset uutiset ja mahdollisesti lastenohjelmia.

    http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2012...64064_uu.shtml

    Virallisen vähemmistökielen aseman karjalankieli sai vasta 2009.

    Uhtualle suomalainen musiikin tohtori vei viisikielisen kanteleen opetuksen ja livvinkarjalaa voi opiskella
    Lahdessakin.

    Porokoirani katselee aina Oddasat-uutiset, mutta se onkin Lapista.

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    wow! nice!

    in Russian Republic Karelia there are some newspapers and programmes on radio and TV in Karelian, but nothing is done to futher improve situation. what must be done - possibility for school education in Karelian, at least in some districts. but ths won't be done since Karelian is not second state language of Republic. and it won't be second state language without standartisation among dialects. (and also federal law, which says that only languages written in Cyrillic alphabet can be state languages, must be removed)

    not necessary to say that our government won't do smth for improving situation in Karelia, especially if we take into account modern political situation...

    so, lucky you, in Finland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate Senatskaya View Post

    not necessary to say that our government won't do smth for improving situation in Karelia, especially if we take into account modern political situation...
    How the political situation has changed? At least we are not founding a Karelian refugee government
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    How the political situation has changed? At least we are not founding a Karelian refugee government
    hm? I haven't said that situation has changed. it exactly hasn't changed at all.
    what about refugees? I was writing about Karelian Republic.
    my point of view is: our politicians don't do anything to improve situation in Karelian Republic not because they want to russify Karelians, but because they don't want to work, all they want to do is to steal money from budget. the situation with this didn't change. and that's the reason why situation with Karelian language in Republic of Karelia didn't change. and that's the reason why assimilation of Karelians continues and it's very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate Senatskaya View Post
    wow! nice!

    in Russian Republic Karelia there are some newspapers and programmes on radio and TV in Karelian, but nothing is done to futher improve situation. what must be done - possibility for school education in Karelian, at least in some districts. but ths won't be done since Karelian is not second state language of Republic. and it won't be second state language without standartisation among dialects. (and also federal law, which says that only languages written in Cyrillic alphabet can be state languages, must be removed)

    not necessary to say that our government won't do smth for improving situation in Karelia, especially if we take into account modern political situation...

    so, lucky you, in Finland!
    Official minority language status was given due to better possibility to receive state funding to preserve the language, if I have understood anything correctly. Karelians, who were resettled all over Finland have lost their language and or dialect to standard Finnish and other dialects. If I am not wrong, Karelian has been considered to be more of a dialect earlier at least.

    It is not surprising at all, that Russian state does not support minority languages. It is and has been the policy, russification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate Senatskaya View Post
    hm? I haven't said that situation has changed. it exactly hasn't changed at all.
    what about refugees? I was writing about Karelian Republic.
    my point of view is: our politicians don't do anything to improve situation in Karelian Republic not because they want to russify Karelians, but because they don't want to work, all they want to do is to steal money from budget. the situation with this didn't change. and that's the reason why situation with Karelian language in Republic of Karelia didn't change. and that's the reason why assimilation of Karelians continues and it's very fast.
    I see, they dont want to invest to Finnish related languages, but want perhaps to Siberian languages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuohikirje View Post
    Official minority language status was given due to better posibility to receive state funding to preserve the language, if I have understood anything correctly. Karelians, who were resettled all over Finland have lost their language and or dialect to standard Finnish and other dialects. If I am not wrong, Karelian has been considered to be more of a dialect earlier at least.
    In Russia Karelian language was always considered a language, not a dialect, and it's one more reason, why it must have become a sacond state language of Karelia as early as in 1990-s. but it didn't cause of lack of standartisation of dialects and cause of stupid law about alphabets. all other Republics have second state languages, all other 20 Republics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tuohikirje View Post
    It is not surprising at all, that Russian state does not support minority languages. It is and has been the policy, russification.
    As I've already said, in the situation in Karelia it's not as much russification, as it's simply dishonesty of politicians and elites and ignorance of simple people, including many Karelians themselves

    real russification hasn't been widely present in Russia since 1991 until the middle of 2000-s. in the end of 2000-s it was quite slow. only now the policy of our government surely again turned towards agressive russification. it seems for me, that politicians simply want to play with nationalist movements, which are growing among ethnic Russians. that's why they turned to russification policy again.
    the fact is that everybody who play with nationalist movements, always finish badly. and our government will finish badly. (the sad thing is that all the country is likely to finish badly too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    I see, they dont want to invest to Finnish related languages, but want perhaps to Siberian langauges?
    they want to invest only to their own wealth. that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate Senatskaya View Post


    they want to invest only to their own wealth. that's it.
    Welcome all wealthy Russians for shopping in Finland. My nihilism seems to come forth.
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    all other Republics have second state languages, all other 20 Republics.
    I am sure Russians would allow us buy land from all other 20 Republics. But when we want to buy our own house back from this particular Russian Republic, it is forbidden by your law. Coincidental compared to lack of 'second state language'?

    only now the policy of our government surely again turned towards agressive russification.
    Putin seems to love to scare Russians by dangerous national threats such as a Mari granny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuohikirje View Post
    I am sure Russians would allow us buy land from all other 20 Republics. But when we want to buy our own house back from this particular Russian Republic, it is forbidden by your law. Coincidental compared to lack of 'second state language'?
    the law about buying has another reason I think. our government want to make sure that borders won't change. that's normal for a government. but this cannot work. if destroying and marginalisation, which is result of our government's policy all other country, continues, nothing will help, no laws will help.
    (Putin always provides some illusions and not real work. illusion that government can protect our borders, illusion that they do smth to change demographic situation, illusion that they provide democracy, illusion that they care about federalism etc.)
    if they really did work to improve situation in Russia and stop marginalisation of people and destroying of country, there would be no need for such laws (which are so unfair regarding to your situation) or for centralisation. since they don't work to stop destroying, it will continue regardless of these useless laws and burocratic centralisation, which make no sense and just do harm for people.

    maybe all these things that I wrote seem weird to you, but for me it's all important, cause the situation in Russia now is horrifying(((


    also I'd like to remind that foreigners cannot buy land only in districts which have international border. there are, for ex, Vyborg district is included into the list of forbidden, but Priosersk (Kakisalmen) district is not, cause it doesn't have border. some districts of Republic Karelia, which were not Finnish before, are included, some which were Finnish are not included

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Welcome all wealthy Russians for shopping in Finland. My nihilism seems to come forth.
    it seems for me that we are talking about different things. are u sure u understood about what was my previous comments?

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