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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    After R1b, we have E1b1a... I guess the ruling classes weren't that representative of the Egyptian people.
    The irony of that while sporting an SPQR banner.

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    Did we ever get confirmation on Tutankhamun's Y-haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saran View Post
    Did we ever get confirmation on Tutankhamun's Y-haplogroup?
    I really want to know this one too.

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    That really is surprising! Especially since E1b1a seems absent in Sudanese populations.

    Does anyone more familiar with STR markers know how reliable this result is with the STRs used (Table 1)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    After R1b, we have E1b1a... I guess the ruling classes weren't that representative of the Egyptian people.



    Nope. It's E-M35 that seem overrepresented in famous European leaders and freaks.
    Well yes, but they are all E. I specifically didn't say E-M35 for that reason :P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    This isn't my area of interest, so please feel free to chime in about the importance of this find. Is it an expected result, or a surprise?




    Revisiting the harem conspiracy and death of Ramesses III: anthropological, forensic, radiological, and genetic study
    It's of utmost importance to Egyptsearch activists, and it is sort of unexpected in that it should be E1b1b, not E1b1a, if it is going to be Y-DNA E in ancient Egyptians. That ancient Egypt was partially race mixed with Negroes is old news in any case, and just as it's possible to find Aframs today who carry R1b, it shouldn't be a surprise that somehow E1b1a fucked its way into the Egyptian royalty, and at least some of the ancient Egyptian kings should have carried E1b1a. Even modern Egyptians have around 20% Negroid admixture:



    Looking at Ramses III's mummy however, it's very clear he wasn't predominantly Negroid:



    So his genome-wide SNP profile should be of great interest to population geneticists, genetics enthusiasts (that would be us), Egyptologists and historians alike.

    In any case, Ramses III being a brotha reveals new knowledge of the Egyptian royalty, that they didn't keep the woodpile racially pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    That really is surprising! Especially since E1b1a seems absent in Sudanese populations.

    Does anyone more familiar with STR markers know how reliable this result is with the STRs used (Table 1)?
    Yea I just checked, and it looks pretty reliable (using an online predictor tool e3ba came up at 68% probability while other haplogroups were <15%)

    Pretty interesting, though then again its just one man so it doesn't really give much information in terms of his autosome and the ydna of the people

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Elias quotes EUpaedo, am I dreaming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Elias quotes EUpaedo, am I dreaming?
    No, you're not. Eupedia (or rather, Maciamo) has bias issues with the PIE=R1b disinformation campaign he's been nonsensing about the past 3-4 years, but he has posted some excellent threads, such as this one:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthr...t-frequent-now

    ^^ Everyone here should read his anti-dogmatic thread and contemplate it for an hour. I give credit and criticism where it's due. I don't doubt those Dodecad scores (they seem genuine, serious and honest to me), but Dienekes is full of shit too, as far as the PIE and PAA urheimats are concerned.
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    I don't think it's that surprising really. Even though the lineage is not as common in North Africa, it's not rare either.
    Y-DNA Ancestors
    Paternal Grandfather's Y-DNA --> R2a*
    Maternal Grandfather's Y-DNA --> J1*
    Maternal Grandmother's Y-DNA --> J2a4b*

    mtDNA Ancestors
    Maternal Grandmother's mtDNA --> T1*
    Paternal Grandmother's mtDNA --> H*

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