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    Post Libertarian Society?

    Libertarianism is a politickal ideology. It is an extension of Constitutionalism (American Revolution) and Liberalism (French Revolution): Libertarianism = Constitutionalism + Liberalism. Perhaps the first forms of Libertarianism began with Catholic laws regarding the usage & utility of Contracts. Contracts are signed, written, or handshake agreements between men.

    Central tenant of Libertarianism: Your word is your bond. A man only is as good as his word.

    Libertarian society revolves around Honesty and Honor; these are its primary virtues. Men who break contracts, cheat, lie, or steal… are shunned from Libertarian societies. Dishonesty cannot survive in a Libertarian society. Because all is written, contractual, and constitutional. The ability to hold agreements is a law unto itself.

    Human Rights are not a part of Libertarian society. There is no such thing as "Natural Rights", "Human Rights", or "God-given Rights". If you want to sign your life into slavery then sign the contract. If you want to smoke, drink, or do drugs then sign the contract. If you want to perform high-risk behaviors which threaten other people then everybody signs the contract. If two men want to duel to the death (pistols at dawn) then they sign the contract. You can sign your life and dignity away. Murder is not illegal. Theft/Possession is "9/10ths of the law". Sex hinges on contracts… "Sign the dotted-line before Sex" or it doesn't count. If a man has sex with a woman, she conceives, and she sues him for child support… she won't be receiving any. Unless she signs a contract before sex…

    The one and only rule is Contractual/Constitutional.


    Libertarianism favors Intellectualism and disfavors Anti-Intellectualism. People who are illiterate, cannot read/write, and cannot interpret Laws/Contracts are at a distinct societal disadvantage. If you are old enough to read & write then you can sign contracts. There is no "Age of Consent" in Libertarianism. If a young boy or girl is old-enough to sign contracts… then s/he is old-enough to suffer the consequences of these contracts.

    A parent must act as a cosigner to some contracts (if a child is questionable).

    Cogency is ambiguous. If a person is drunk, drugged, or inebriated during the signing of a contract then the legitimacy of the contract is questionable. Inebriation is no excuse for reneging on contractual agreements. Therefore a Libertarian society is a sober society. Those who stay sober, cogent, and rational have more power than people who Choose drug-abuse or other anti-intellectual behaviors.


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    Voted No....because I am not intellectual enough...and not always sober.

    I also believe in those Natural or God-given rights, which should be enforced to defend those who cannot defend themselves (those who are not intellectual enough, or old enough to understand).

    Otherwise, it sounds ok.
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    I consider your description a misrepresentation of libertarian political philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    I consider your description a misrepresentation of libertarian political philosophy.
    I will take this as a 'Nay', thanks Jonny.
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    Okay, I quickly typed this which I think gives a better and more concise overview.

    Q. What are the central themes of libertarian philosophy?
    A. Maximum freedom for everyone and the non-aggression principle.

    Q. Does this mean extreme individualism aka every man for himself?
    A. No. Peaceful trade and co-operation are at the centre of everything in libertarian society.

    Q. But won't the corporations in the form of monopolies and cartels take over the world?
    A. No. Monopolies can only be sustained with government intervention in the economy. All power in free markets lies with the consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Okay, I quickly typed this which I think gives a better and more concise overview.

    Q. What are the central themes of libertarian philosophy?
    A. Maximum freedom for everyone and the non-aggression principle.
    Yes Libertarianism implies "Maximum Freedom". But is has no "non-aggression" principle. That is Liberalism.

    A pure Libertarianist society condones violence… even murder (pistols at dawn, duel to the death) as long as contracts are signed beforehand. Ie: Doctor-assisted suicide perfectly is legal & legitimate to Libertarians.

    A duel to the death is illegal in a Liberal society, but legal in a Libertarian society.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Q. Does this mean extreme individualism aka every man for himself?
    A. No. Peaceful trade and co-operation are at the centre of everything in libertarian society.
    Peaceful trade and cooperation?

    That is possible… if you sign contracts. It is not the "centre" though. This is your Liberalist agenda/bias speaking.

    A Libertarian Capitalist society is aggressive, competitive, and ruthless in monetary exchange. The FED would not be a monopoly. Currencies would compete head-to-head. Every bank would be free to print its own money. This would make a Libertarian Capitalist society into a Corporate society.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Q. But won't the corporations in the form of monopolies and cartels take over the world?
    A. No. Monopolies can only be sustained with government intervention in the economy. All power in free markets lies with the consumers.
    Everybody can write contracts… any "government" would revolve around enforcing legal obligations of said contracts, under the threat of (military) force. If people reneg on their contracts, or default on loan agreements, then a military force (private/publik) would confiscate assets.

    Government only exists to insure contractual agreements. A pure-libertarian society would not need to be Democratic or Communistic. These are antithetical to Libertarianism in many ways.
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    ^Okay, I could go through your post and tell you all of the things that are wrong with it, but that would take quite a while.

    Do you want to argue pointlessly for hours, entrenching yourself in your position and wasting everyone's time including your own, or do you want to learn about libertarianism properly?

    If the former, I'll take my leave, if the latter I can give you the resources right now which will set your thinking straight on these matters, which you are seemingly only half-informed about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    ^Okay, I could go through your post and tell you all of the things that are wrong with it, but that would take quite a while.

    Do you want to argue pointlessly for hours, entrenching yourself in your position and wasting everyone's time including your own, or do you want to learn about libertarianism properly?

    If the former, I'll take my leave, if the latter I can give you the resources right now which will set your thinking straight on these matters, which you are seemingly only half-informed about.
    Don't let me stop you… go ahead and educate me, and other forum members.

    If you can educate me then I accept. If I can educate you then you accept…

    I am here to learn… and to teach if/when I know something true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    Don't let me stop you… go ahead and educate me, and other forum members.

    If you can educate me then I accept. If I can educate you then you accept…

    I am here to learn… and to teach if/when I know something true.
    Good choice.

    Shorter reads:
    Economics in One Lesson - Henry Hazlitt
    Anatomy of the State - Murray Rothbard
    Profit and Loss - Ludwig von Mises


    Medium length reads:
    Building Blocks for Liberty - Walter Block
    Defending the Undefendable - Walter Block
    Lessons for the young economist - Robert Murphy

    Very long:
    Man, Economy and State - Murray Rothbard
    Human Action - Ludwig von Mises

    For specific topics I would recommend searching here first: http://wiki.mises.org

    Even if you don't agree with what these books have to say, you will at least be able to understand and argue against this position properly, instead of with some half-truths and strawmen.
    My overall point of guidance is that when you read something that sounds totally ridiculous, read on and things may become clearer, especially with Walter Block.

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    How is linking me a reference list, "educating" me about Libertarianism?

    Why won't you use your own words on the matter, have you actually put thought into your worldview?
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    jr1 wrote: …if a pig's born in a stable is it a horse?
    Wickedgirl wrote: In my personal opinion only radical feminists really want absolute gender equality. Normal women don't, they want to be women …what I believe in is the very essence of femininity.
    Acquisitorz wrote: Is a chain made of gold a nice chain when its placed to restrict your brain?
    Archangel wrote: The meek shall inherit the Earth… because the strong shall inherit the Stars!
    Wojewoda wrote: Burqas are for women, what guns are for men: Great Equalizer.
    Kwestos wrote: I don't know what a commie is to be honest. A kid of a rich lawyer in New York who wants to be cool, or a desperate peasant in Bolivia who protests because government stole his land…



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