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    Default "Aframs/NWBs" with Angolan and Congolese Ancenstry

    Aframs/NWBs whose African ancestry is predominantly Congolese or Angolan.

    Chris Tucker- Mbundu people of Angola


    Isaiah Washington- Mbundu people of Angola


    Dr. Ben Carson- Lunda people of DR Congo (other sources say Luba people)


    Linda Johnson Rice- Luba people of DR Congo


    Thurgood Marshall- DR Congo


    He was the great-grandson of a slave who was born in the modern-day Democratic Republic of the Congo
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    Marshall’s mother, who had considerable influence over him, traced her African roots to a 17th-century Congolese slave who caused so much trouble that his slave master finally set him free. Freedom was Thurgood Marshall’s driving passion as well.
    http://www.blackcollegian.com/thurgood-marshall/

    Augustus Nathaniel Lushington- DR Congo

    From Trinidad, Augustus Nathaniel Lushington As a young child his paternal grandfather from DR Congo, was brought to Trinidad as a slave to work at the sugar plantation on the island
    Hard finding NWBs with Congolese ancestry, what does this indicate again Oditous?
    Just reppin' 243...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Dude View Post
    Aframs/NWBs whose African ancestry is predominantly Congolese or Angolan.
    Actually most of these results you posted are based on uniparental markers (Y-Dna/Mt-DNA) that only represent a very small portion of your total ancestry, like all multi-regional SSA descended NWB's their ancestry is not likely to be exclusively or even predominantly from one region within Africa.

    For example Isaiah Washington was connected to the Mbundu by way of his direct parental lineage, but of course his father wasn't straight up Mbundu, already on his paternal grandmother's side you might find a different marker speculatingly connecting to some other part within Africa; same goes for his parental great grandmother and every other lineage that's not directly connected to his Y-DNA.

    In fact on Isaiah's maternal side he was linked to the Temne/Mende people of Sierra Leone and that's also the part of his SSA ancestry he most identifies with apparently (he got SL citizenship ), although again it's not very likely that he's predominantly of Sierra Leonean descent.

    It's known that these test have not always been very accurate in the past. It's hard to link haplogroups to one specific region or ethnicity because in reality they are usually found in several regions and among several ethnicities.

    See also this paper

    African-American mitochondrial DNAs often match mtDNAs found in multiple African ethnic groups



    Quote Originally Posted by Random Dude View Post
    Hard finding NWBs with Congolese ancestry, what does this indicate again Oditous?
    Lol, that you didn't try hard enough

    Here's my previous threads on the subject, plenty of evidence there indicating Congolese ancestry among Aframs/NWB's, which you haven't refuted sofar...

    Congolese Ancestry of Afrodescendants in the Americas: significant or negligible?

    Genetic studies showing Central African ancestry in the Americas
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    Me I'm Predominantly Angolan/Congolese based off most of my results on calculators.

    My Africa9 Oracle results.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Fang @ 23.960
    2 Luhya @ 24.480
    3 Kongo @ 25.300
    4 Bantu_N.E. @ 26.469
    5 Bamoun @ 26.913
    6 Kaba @ 29.245
    7 Mada @ 32.130
    8 Hausa @ 32.508
    9 Bantu_S.E._Pedi @ 32.724
    10 Igbo @ 33.781
    54 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bantu_N.E. +50% Fang @ 20.470
    2 50% Fang +50% Luhya @ 20.497
    3 50% Morocco_Jews +50% Yoruba @ 20.509
    4 50% Egypt +50% Yoruba @ 20.658
    5 50% Igbo +50% Morocco_Jews @ 20.945
    6 50% Egyptans +50% Yoruba @ 20.975
    7 50% Egypt +50% Igbo @ 21.035
    8 50% Hausa +50% Morocco_Jews @ 21.036
    9 50% Kongo +50% Luhya @ 21.037
    10 50% Brong +50% Egypt @ 21.045
    1485 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kongo +25% Mada +25% Tuscan @ 5.086
    2 50% Kongo +25% Mada +25% Morocco_Jews @ 5.315
    3 50% Bamoun +25% Luhya +25% Morocco_Jews @ 5.322
    4 50% Kongo +25% Mada +25% North_Italian @ 5.327
    5 50% Bamoun +25% Bantu_N.E. +25% Morocco_Jews @ 5.349
    6 50% Bamoun +25% Luhya +25% Tuscan @ 5.352
    7 50% Bamoun +25% Bantu_N.E. +25% Tuscan @ 5.437
    8 50% Bamoun +25% Luhya +25% North_Italian @ 5.620
    9 50% Kongo +25% Kaba +25% Tuscan @ 5.658
    10 50% Bamoun +25% Bantu_N.E. +25% North_Italian @ 5.714
    18340 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Bantu_N.E. + Fang + Mandenka + Tuscan @ 4.726
    2 Fang + Luhya + Mandenka + Tuscan @ 4.777
    3 Bantu_N.E. + Brong + Fang + Morocco_Jews @ 4.792
    4 Bantu_N.E. + Brong + Fang + Tuscan @ 4.857
    5 Brong + Fang + Luhya + Morocco_Jews @ 4.878
    6 Brong + Fang + Luhya + Tuscan @ 4.878
    7 Brong + Kongo + Luhya + Tuscan @ 4.924
    8 Bamoun + Igbo + Luhya + Tuscan @ 4.930
    9 Kongo + Luhya + Mandenka + Tuscan @ 4.941
    10 Brong + Kongo + Luhya + Morocco_Jews @ 4.974
    11 Bamoun + Hausa + Luhya + Tuscan @ 4.983
    12 Igbo + Kongo + Luhya + Tuscan @ 4.997
    13 Kongo + Luhya + Tuscan + Yoruba @ 5.009
    14 Bamoun + Igbo + Luhya + Morocco_Jews @ 5.024
    15 Fang + Luhya + Tuscan + Yoruba @ 5.028
    16 Bamoun + Luhya + Tuscan + Yoruba @ 5.035
    17 Bantu_N.E. + Fang + Mandenka + North_Italian @ 5.057
    18 Bantu_N.E. + Fang + Morocco_Jews + Yoruba @ 5.059
    19 Bantu_N.E. + Fang + Tuscan + Yoruba @ 5.062
    20 Bamoun + Bantu_N.E. + Igbo + Tuscan @ 5.067
    Mixed mode setting.

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.5% Kongo + 23.5% Tuscan @ 7.28
    2 76.9% Kongo + 23.1% North_Italian @ 7.39
    3 73% Bamoun + 27% Morocco_Jews @ 7.39
    4 75.7% Bamoun + 24.3% Tuscan @ 7.5
    5 73.9% Kongo + 26.1% Morocco_Jews @ 7.59
    6 76.2% Bamoun + 23.8% North_Italian @ 7.7
    7 71.7% Kaba + 28.3% Morocco_Jews @ 8.26
    8 77.7% Fang + 22.3% Tuscan @ 8.68
    9 74.6% Kaba + 25.4% Tuscan @ 8.68
    10 78.1% Fang + 21.9% North_Italian @ 8.75
    11 73.5% Bamoun + 26.5% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 8.78
    12 75.1% Kaba + 24.9% North_Italian @ 8.93
    13 74.5% Kongo + 25.5% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 8.98
    14 75.2% Fang + 24.8% Morocco_Jews @ 9.18
    15 72.2% Kaba + 27.8% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 9.6
    16 69.8% Hausa + 30.2% Morocco_Jews @ 9.66
    17 75.9% Fang + 24.1% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 10.32
    18 72.9% Hausa + 27.1% Tuscan @ 10.34
    19 69.2% Igbo + 30.8% Morocco_Jews @ 10.35
    20 73.5% Hausa + 26.5% North_Italian @ 10.6
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