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    Default If Tutsis have significant "Cushitic" mixture....

    Why isn't any trace of this showing up in their Y-chromosones? I don't know of any cases of "Cushitic" speaking women marrying marrying predominantly into non-Cushitic male families though I have no data on Tutsi mtDNA, but on Y DNA there is no indication of this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    Why isn't any trace of this showing up in their Y-chromosones? I don't know of any cases of "Cushitic" speaking women marrying marrying predominantly into non-Cushitic male families though I have no data on Tutsi mtDNA, but on Y DNA there is no indication of this, but lot at their frequency of E1-M33 which is mostly found in Saharan and Sahelian populations:

    That may speak more for their origins is they were originally a non-Bantu people who adopted a Bantu language.


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    The Cushitic admixture in Tutsi is visible in their autosomal DNA. There are Tutsis with significant (or even predominant) Cushitic ancestry at 23andMe. There's a Tutsi user with a mtDNA lineage only found in Northeast Africa (Ethiopia/Egypt). Also, Tishkoff's mixed Hutu/Tutsi sample had significant Cushitic admixture (average 18-19%) and this was highly variable in the sample, indicative of diverse origins. Tutsi/Hima also differ from neighboring Bantus with their lack of the sickle cell trait and high frequency of lactase persistence.

    The lack of Cushitic Y-DNA in Tutsis studied so far is interesting, but it does not invalidate the other evidence. It could be a result of a paternal bottleneck, or sex biased admixture. On the other hand, the pastoralist Hema from eastern Congo who claim relations to Tutsi and also adopted neighboring Bantu/Nilo-Saharan languages have significant E-M35. So another possibility is that the 'Tutsi' sampled so far just aren't representative.

    I doubt we will see much work on Tutsi DNA in the near future since it's such a sensitive issue, considering the current political situation. Notice how the only mixed sample in Tishkoff's huge dataset were from Rwanda. What's the point of including a mixed sample in a study that's supposed to be about the genetic history of African populations?

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    It is there, E1b1a from Egypt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    The Cushitic admixture in Tutsi is visible in their autosomal DNA. There are Tutsis with significant (or even predominant) Cushitic ancestry at 23andMe. There's a Tutsi user with a mtDNA lineage only found in Northeast Africa (Ethiopia/Egypt). Also, Tishkoff's mixed Hutu/Tutsi sample had significant Cushitic admixture (average 18-19%) and this was highly variable in the sample, indicative of diverse origins. Tutsi/Hima also differ from neighboring Bantus with their lack of the sickle cell trait and high frequency of lactase persistence.
    The 23andme samples consist of only a handful of people, that's hardly enough info as for the Tishkoff sample I don't believe it reflects direct mixture from Cushitic speaking people themselves but from other African populations who may have mixed with Cushitic speaking people which would explain why you see no evidence of this in Tutsi uniparentals. They lack both E-M35 and E-M329 lineages. If a male E1b1a7a Afram with lets say, 30% Eurasian mixture went to Papua New Guinea and mixed with their women and produced children that had 15% Eurasian mixture is that proof of bonafide Eurasians mixing with these people? No! Tutsis carry two types of E1b1a, E1b1a7a and another type of E1b1a.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    There's a Tutsi user with a mtDNA lineage only found in Northeast Africa (Ethiopia/Egypt).
    Which lineage is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Which lineage is that?
    Such small samples don't do much, just *ONE* Tutsi user?


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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Which lineage is that?
    L2a1d.

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    Damn! Didn't know you guys began arguing about us long time ago. Problem solved. What's the obsession @Game Theory has for Tutsis!? Hope you got all the answers from the new thread that talks about our Haplogroups.

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    They're still a bunch of nappy headed negroes regardless of their minor cushitic ancestry (less than 30%)

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    I met a tutsi guy once, he was impressed because I guessed it. He never met a swede before that knew that term. So he wanted to touch my nose with his fingertips like a greating or someting. He also had a narrow nose and pretty cool texture to his hair. Yes he wanted me to touch his hair, felt kind of spongy.
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