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    Norden has several artificially created territorial issues that need to be worked out.

    Sapmi ought to become an independent republic, but here's the part where it gets interesting. Where should this new and free Lapland exist? The Murmansk Oblast is perfect, and when there, they renounce any welfare or territorial entitlement claims for reindeer herding from Finland, Sweden, Norway, as well as Russia. The Karelian Oblast should also go to Finland, Franz Josef Land to Norway, and Aaland to Sweden. Scandinavia rids itself of the Saami problem, Finland, Norway, and Sweden regaining traditional lands. These could be some of the many preconditions for Russian entry into Europe.

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    Why do I have a feeling that "The Saami Question" is really only of concern in a dank basement somewhere in America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auduid View Post


    Norden has several artificially created territorial issues that need to be worked out.

    Sapmi ought to become an independent republic, but here's the part where it gets interesting. Where should this new and free Lapland exist? The Murmansk Oblast is perfect, and when there, they renounce any welfare or territorial entitlement claims for reindeer herding from Finland, Sweden, Norway, as well as Russia. The Karelian Oblast should also go to Finland, Franz Josef Land to Norway, and Aaland to Sweden. Scandinavia rids itself of the Saami problem, Finland, Norway, and Sweden regaining traditional lands. These could be some of the many preconditions for Russian entry into Europe.

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    I don't know what barbiturates you're on today, but there are a few problems with your topic.

    Firstly, Scandinavians don't want to get rid of the Saami, and secondly Russians don't want to enter Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    I don't know what barbiturates you're on today, but there are a few problems with your topic.

    Firstly, Scandinavians don't want to get rid of the Saami, and secondly Russians don't want to enter Europe.
    It's a troll topic, what do you think.

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    Are you in this aforesaid basement?

    The topic of Saami demands from their various governments has been discussed here by our Scandinavian members. Some Saami seem to have a serious problem relating in normal discussion about ethnicity. One I met here quit the forum over it, and another is outright hostile to Swedish policies. It's nice to see from a distance that there can be a solution. WWI resulted in the formation of nation states (i.e. Czechoslovakia) formerly under the heel of imperial powers (i.e. Austria-Hungary) in Europe. The Saami are the only people in Norden not with their own independent government. It makes sense to allocate a part of their native land to their common purpose, much like Canada did for the First Nations by creating Nunavut out of the Northwest Territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    I don't know what barbiturates you're on today, but there are a few problems with your topic.

    Firstly, Scandinavians don't want to get rid of the Saami, and secondly Russians don't want to enter Europe.
    Of course Scandinavian governments subsist off of these welfare recipients, and you are wrong that Russians are always averse to entering Europe (or that Europeans are necessarily hostile).

    I am primarily interested in the topic of Saami self-determination. Enough Saami on ABF seem to think their governments discriminate against them, and are quasi-nationalist. I think it only makes sense to do for them what was done for Finland in the secession from Sweden.

    There is a debate about Russia here, but it's not my primary focus:

    http://forums.ec.europa.eu/debateeur...pic.php?t=1320
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_...n_Union#Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auduid View Post
    Are you in this aforesaid basement?
    I've never been to your house, no, and I really don't give a shit about your fantasies of redrawing the map of Europe except insofar as that, by displaying them for all the world to see, you're reinforcing the stereotype of the idiotic American who doesn't have a damn clue about the everyday realities of the world at large, but doesn't let that stop him from trying to stick his nose into everyone else's business.

    How about you leave the sorting out of the territorial integrity of the Scandinavian countries to the people who live there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Prohaska View Post
    I've never been to your house, no, and I really don't give a shit about your fantasies of redrawing the map of Europe except insofar as that, by displaying them for all the world to see, you're reinforcing the stereotype of the idiotic American who doesn't have a damn clue about the everyday realities of the world at large, but doesn't let that stop him from trying to stick his nose into everyone else's business.

    How about you leave the sorting out of the territorial integrity of the Scandinavian countries to the people who live there?
    If you don't want to discuss options or possibilities over the future of the Saami people with respect to independence and relations with countries currently controlling them, don't troll this thread. It's armchair discussion, like everywhere online.

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    Fair enough. Enjoy sitting there in your armchair talking to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auduid View Post
    Enough Saami on ABF seem to think their governments discriminate against them, and are quasi-nationalist.
    There are Saami posters here? I'm drawing blanks.

    But anyway, I've long suspected Saamis are in a secret alliance with evil. Evil being defined as whatever I don't like at the moment.

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