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    Default Oldest African Mummy Was A 2-Year Old "Negroid" Boy... IN LIBYA!

    At 5,600 years old, this pre-dates Ancient Egyptian Civilization...

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    Well the Mummy of Uan Muhggiag is nothing new , they have always suspected the mummy of being black.It was discovered in 1959 and the art and materal culture is similar to that of peoples found in the Southern Nile Valley.This video says Egytpians learned mummification from somewhere else in Africa.


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    I don't have time to watch this, but if it's not DNA tested then it's more difficult to know. If the baby skeleton really is of the predominantly Negroid variety, and let's say its Y-DNA is E1b, then it means that pre-Caucasoid populations that lived in Africa (as opposed to sub-Saharan Africa, which is not Africa but something else), were white-washed to a large degree by incoming immigrant proto-Berbers and proto-Egyptians from the Middle East. On the other hand, who's to say blacks didn't learn the concept of mummification from Afro-Asiatics? It's not like they have mummies in sub-Saharan regions, not that I've heard of anyway.

    That's all I have to say for now.

    By the way pgbk87, how come you still haven't understood the rules on how to start threads? Is it too much to ask that you provide a few questions for the members to discuss, when you start a new thread?

    OT bullshit deleted. Keep it serious folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I don't have time to watch this (going to jerk off to some great porn, take a shower, and then head to work)
    Wow, such honesty lol.

    but if it's not DNA tested then it's more difficult to know.
    I must agree with this.

    If the baby skeleton really is of the predominantly Negroid variety, and let's say its Y-DNA is E1b, then it means that pre-Caucasoid populations that lived in Africa (as opposed to sub-Saharan Africa, which is not Africa but something else), were white-washed to a large degree by incoming immigrant proto-Berbers and proto-Egyptians from the Middle East.
    Not necessarily. The originally Sub-Saharan elements likely have made their way to North Africa between 12,000 and 7,000 years ago. There is shared Mediterranean and native North African element in Northwest Africa which is epi-paleolithic in Northwest Africa. This makes sense since the Green Sahara lasted from 7,500–7,000 BCE to about 3,500–3,000 BCE.

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    MITOCHONDRIAL DNA AND PHYLOGENETIC ANALYSIS OF PREHISTORIC NORTH AFRICAN POPULATIONS

    North Africa is located at a crossroad between Europe, Africa and Asia and has been inhabited since the Prehistoric time. In the Epipaleolithic period (23.000 years to 10.000 years BP), the Western North Africa has been occupied by Mecha- Afalou Men, authors of the Iberomaurusian industry. The origin of the Iberomaurusians is unresolved, several hypotheses have been forwarded. With the aim to contribute to a better knowledge of the Iberomaurusian settlement we analysed the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of skeletons exhumed from the prehistoric site of Taforalt in Morocco (23.000-10.800 years BP) and Afalou in Algeria (11.000 to 15.000 BP -Algeria). Hypervariable segment 1 of mtDNA from 38 individuals were amplified by Real-Time PCR and directly sequenced. Sequences were aligned with the reference sequence to perform the mtDNA classification within haplogroups. Phylogenetic analysis based on mitochondrial sequences from Mediterranean populations was performed using Neighbor-Joining algorithm implemented in MEGA program. mtDNA sequences from Afalou and Taforalt were classified in Eurasiatic and North African haplogroups. We noted the absence of Sub-Saharan haplotypes. Phylogenetic tree clustered Taforalt with European populations. Our results excluded the hypothesis of the sub-Saharan origin of Iberomaurusians populations and highlighted the genetic flow between Northern and Southern cost of Mediterranean since Epipaleolithic period.
    There is a high possibility that Northwest Africans were almost entirely Eurasian prior to (Green) Saharan/Sub-Saharan influences (which would have taken place within the last 12,000 years).

    I wish I could make such strong inferences on Ancient Egypt, but for now we are finding clear links to Saharan Africa. Ancient Egyptians were definitely pulling more towards West Asian populations (just based on geography), but to what degree and whether they were predominately so is definitely unfounded.

    On the other hand, who's to say blacks didn't learn the concept of mummification from Afro-Asiatics? It's not like they have mummies in sub-Saharan regions, not that I've heard of anyway.
    Because this is the FIRST known mummification in AFRICA. This mummy predates the Early Dynastic Period of Egypt in (c. 3100 BCE) or any such practices found in West Asia.

    [b]By the way pgbk87, how come you still haven't understood the rules on how to start threads? Is it too much to ask that you provide a few questions for the members to discuss, when you start a new thread?
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    I don't like this documentary. The agenda of the show appears to be at first glance to be a rectify the lies about the ancient Sahara and subsequently the Nile Valley. When you get towards the end that mofo goes on to say that the original Saharans were in fact black but that Demic Diffusion from the "white people" of the Middle East occurred (and yes they did make that absurd argument on National T.V. in the new Millennium). The way the dude said it just sounded so damn desperate to inject sum bleach into the picture (almost like a sigh of relief). Of course however we know that such a theory is complete bullshit:

    "Furthermore, the archaeology of northern Africa DOES NOT SUPPORT demic diffusion of farming from the Near East. The evidence presented by Wetterstrom indicates that early African farmers in the Fayum initially INCORPORATED Near Eastern domesticates INTO an INDIGENOUS foraging strategy, and only OVER TIME developed a dependence on horticulture. This is inconsistent with in-migrating farming settlers, who would have brought a more ABRUPT change in subsistence strategy.

    Source: The Origins of Afroasiatic
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    Science 3 December 2004: Vol. 306. no. 5702, p. 1680


    The funny thing is is that in the this documentary the sole support for a mixed race Egyptian origin rest on this deliberate misinformation. They otherwise fully admit that the ancient Sahara, thus the ancient Egyptians were in fact black Africans.
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    Kinda old news. We should all know by now that Central / Southern Libyans at this point int time were Nilo-Saharan negroes.
    If you don't know here is the refresher:


    ∼1500 y ago and the spread of the Hassaniya Moors into Mauritania probably dates from the 15th Century (39). Before this time, the central and southern Sahara are thought to have been populated by Nilo-Saharan speakers. The Nilo-Saharan language phylum is both widespread and strongly internally divided, suggesting considerable antiquity (40) (Fig. 3). Its greatest diversity is in the east, where a large number of small branches are found (Fig. 3), suggesting the original locus of expansion. Although fragmented into enclave populations today, the presence and pattern of relic populations in the northern desert points strongly to a much wider distribution in the past, covering the region from the Ethio-Sudan borderland to Mauritania and southwest Morocco.
    The Peopling of the Sahara During the Holocene

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    Afalou and Taforalt were classified in Eurasiatic and North African haplogroups. We noted the absence of Sub-Saharan haplotypes. Phylogenetic tree clustered Taforalt with European populations.
    That sounds about correct too. These populations above are ones that would die in the desert and only survive on the coast. The genetic continuity of these North African populations would likely be terminal at the Nile valley. "Population Affinities of the Jebel Sahaba Skeletal Sample: Limb Proportion" - is a new paper that shows the limb proportions of these populations to be cold adapted....as expected for these genetic results. Egyptians in the same article are Tropical along with other Sub Saharans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armor King View Post
    The funny thing is is that in the this documentary the sole support for a mixed race Egyptian origin rest on this deliberate misinformation. They otherwise fully admit that the ancient Sahara, thus the ancient Egyptians were in fact black Africans.
    Keita is a proponent of the "mixed race Egyptian" theory. Afrocentric lunatics don't even read properly or understand his literature, much like Jean Hiernaux.

    "The peopling of what is now the Egyptian Nile Valley, judging from archaeological and biological data, was apparently the result of a complex interaction between coastal northern Africans, “neolithic” Saharans, Nilotic hunters, and riverine proto-Nubians with some influence and migration from the Levant (Keita, 1992).

    Note that Keita accepts "coastal northern Africans" were already heavily mixed, with "southern European" affinities by the early Holocene:

    "The supra-Atlas mountain and coastal northern Africans are viewed here as perhaps being biologically more, but not only, related to southern Europeans, primarily by gene flow […] it may be well to view gene flow as having occurred steadily over a long time" (Keita, 1993)

    This is precisely what Coon, Angel and earlier anthropologists established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BookGremlin View Post
    Keita is a proponent of the "mixed race Egyptian" theory. Afrocentric lunatics don't even read properly or understand his literature, much like Jean Hiernaux.

    "The peopling of what is now the Egyptian Nile Valley, judging from archaeological and biological data, was apparently the result of a complex interaction between coastal northern Africans, “neolithic” Saharans, Nilotic hunters, and riverine proto-Nubians with some influence and migration from the Levant (Keita, 1992).

    Note that Keita accepts "coastal northern Africans" were already heavily mixed, with "southern European" affinities by the early Holocene:

    "The supra-Atlas mountain and coastal northern Africans are viewed here as perhaps being biologically more, but not only, related to southern Europeans, primarily by gene flow […] it may be well to view gene flow as having occurred steadily over a long time" (Keita, 1993)

    This is precisely what Coon, Angel and earlier anthropologists established.
    This is true but lets look at these people:
    coastal northern Africans - mixed
    “neolithic” Saharans - negroes
    Nilotic hunters - negroes
    riverine proto-Nubians - negroes
    Levant - minor African mixed Eurasians.

    That still leaves most of the groups in question Negroes.....and then you have the major input that forms most of the Paternal and considerable maternal contribution as well : Negroes from the Horn of Africa - E1b1b/M1a/L3's. If we can comfortably say the levantines were slightly African mixed then the Horners were equally slightly SW Asian mixed. That still leaves you with a population that is for the most part negro. Albeait a combination of the Elongated type and the broad type. Admixture is hypothesized against this base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    This is true but lets look at these people
    “neolithic” Saharans - negroes
    Excluding a few migrants, they weren't Negroid ("broad" African). These peoples throughout the Neolithic show reduction in nasal index, tooth size and reduced prognathism through desertification of the Sahara, so they were by the late Neolithic dry-heat adapted "elongated" Africans, or "Aethiopids" of the old texts.

    "In the Neolithic the picture of a typical Nubian underwent transformations. The Nubians became less robust [...] the facial shape changed, becoming longer, with narrower nose." (Pudlo, 1999)
    http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~anthro/...62/07pudlo.pdf

    The situation in Egypt was the same, so to quote Baker's Race (1974):

    "From pre-dynastic times onwards a principal part of the population of Egypt appears to have been composed of a section of the Aethiopid"

    Essentially these older anthropologists were correct in identifying the prevalent phenotype, just wrong in thinking it was created by non-Africans coming in and mixing with Negroids - a view I held for years. Hiernaux, and others discredited these "Hamitic" theories, for a modern ecological framework.

    What I dispute is that Lower Egypt didn't receive a large influx of people of leukodermic physiognomy before the Hyksos. Despite Baker acknowledging that Aethiopids predominated in Egypt from the late Neolithic/pre-dynastic through to dynastic times, he writes of an increasing Mediterranean element in Lower Egypt. This was also Angel's (1972) view. Angel was even Keita's professor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I don't have time to watch this, but if it's not DNA tested then it's more difficult to know. If the baby skeleton really is of the predominantly Negroid variety, and let's say its Y-DNA is E1b, then it means that pre-Caucasoid populations that lived in Africa (as opposed to sub-Saharan Africa, which is not Africa but something else), were white-washed to a large degree by incoming immigrant proto-Berbers and proto-Egyptians from the Middle East. On the other hand, who's to say blacks didn't learn the concept of mummification from Afro-Asiatics? It's not like they have mummies in sub-Saharan regions, not that I've heard of anyway.

    That's all I have to say for now.
    Can you please enlighten me what the "Suryoyos" (or "Assyrians", whatever you call yourselves these days) have contributed to this world yet so far? (have you ever had any mummies at the Levant or any other western Asiatic region)???
    Please don't mention the "Ancient Assyrian Civilization", Coz that's just going to make me gag almost to the limit of vomiting!

    Also, please present your people as they are today, that is in modern reality.
    Thanks in advance.
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