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    Quote Originally Posted by dbbrainer View Post
    At least this debate is happening. Let's keep it going .. I'll make a different thread to not hijack this one on the info which has to do with the article posted and debated in the anthroscape thread I linked here.
    The haplogroup E1a is very debated. you can close this endless thread.

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    I didn't realize there were responses from this thread. Some of the information relayed was helpful concerning the differences, but I'm still hoping that I will find another forum member with this same paternal haplogroup one day.
    Consider this thread open for future discussion & possibilities. Again to those who provided information concerning E1a, much appreciated!
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    I am E-V22 and it says in websites this

    Is found primarily in western Ethiopia, northern Egypt and in southern Levant. In Europe it is therefore associated with the Phoenicians and the Jews.

    In a forum Spaniards said E-V22 is rare in Spain, they said it is less than 1%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabi View Post
    Does anyone here share this haplogroup on their paternal line? Are there any?

    Could someone also explain the difference between this and E1b1a? I would appreciate it.
    i found some info on this haplogroup

    The E1a subclade (SNP M132) has been scattered over Africa, but usually at low frequencies. Reports suggest that it is highest in Sub-Saharan Africa, though it has been observed in North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Egypt). Its highest level has been reported in Mali (34%) and it has a reported TMRCA of ~14kya.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyva View Post
    I am E-V22 and it says in websites this

    Is found primarily in western Ethiopia, northern Egypt and in southern Levant. In Europe it is therefore associated with the Phoenicians and the Jews.

    In a forum Spaniards said E-V22 is rare in Spain, they said it is less than 1%

    for you here is some info about your haplogroup, i think it has a northeastern african origin

    E1b1b1a3 (V22) is at its peak frequency in parts of Northeast Africa (e.g. Egypt 4-20%). It has significant frequencies many other locations (Ethiopia 25%, Sudan 23%, Kenya 11%, Morocco7%). Like E1b1b1a1 (V12), this subclade may have migrated south from Egypt to Sudan. It has also been found in Sicily, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and many other locations, making it a fairly far flung subclade. The estimates for the TMRCA of this subclade are 9-11kya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celph Titled View Post
    i found some info on this haplogroup

    The E1a subclade (SNP M132) has been scattered over Africa, but usually at low frequencies. Reports suggest that it is highest in Sub-Saharan Africa, though it has been observed in North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Egypt). Its highest level has been reported in Mali (34%) and it has a reported TMRCA of ~14kya.


    The fact is that E1a is a non negroid"west african" haplogroup, since it was found in Precolonial Guanches 3,33% and it's found in actual Berbers in small quantities, the interesting thing is that the major west african haplogroup E1b1a was not found among precolonial guanches and it's rare in actual berbers "not found in somes" unlike E1a who is found but in small quantities".

    Another interesting fact is that the people who cares this haplogroup "Dogons" have a high level of west eurasian admixture, unlike they west african neighbours.



    We incorporated geographic data into a Bayesian clustering analysis, assuming no admixture (TESS software) (25) and distinguished six clusters within continental Africa (Fig. 5A). The most geographically widespread cluster (orange) extends from far Western Africa (the Mandinka) through central Africa to the Bantu speakers of South Africa (the Venda and Xhosa) and corresponds to the distribution of the Niger-Kordofanian language family, possibly reflecting the spread of Bantu-speaking populations from near the Nigerian/Cameroon highlands across eastern and southern Africa within the past 5000 to 3000 years (26, 27). Another inferred cluster includes the Pygmy and SAK populations (green), with a noncontiguous geographic distribution in central and southeastern Africa, consistent with the STRUCTURE (Fig. 3) and phylogenetic analyses (Fig. 1). Another geographically contiguous cluster extends across northern Africa (blue) into Mali (the Dogon), Ethiopia, and northern Kenya. With the exception of the Dogon, these populations speak an Afroasiatic language. Chadic-speaking and Nilo-Saharan–speaking populations from Nigeria, Cameroon, and central Chad, as well as several Nilo-Saharan–speaking populations from southern Sudan, constitute another cluster (red). Nilo-Saharan and Cushitic speakers from the Sudan, Kenya, and Tanzania, as well as some of the Bantu speakers from Kenya, Tanzania, and Rwanda (Hutu/Tutsi), constitute another cluster (purple), reflecting linguistic evidence for gene flow among these populations over the past ~5000 years (28, 29). Finally, the Hadza are the sole constituents of a sixth cluster (yellow), consistent with their distinctive genetic structure identified by PCA and STRUCTURE.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...7/#!po=2.50000

    In some words this people "dogon" are close to tuaregs and saharan peoples than to the other west africans.
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    As always thank you for the information Berber_Warrior & Celph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berber_Warrior View Post
    The fact is that E1a is a non negroid"west african" haplogroup, since it was found in Precolonial Guanches 3,33% and it's found in actual Berbers in small quantities, the interesting thing is that the major west african haplogroup E1b1a was not found among precolonial guanches and it's rare in actual berbers "not found in somes" unlike E1a who is found but in small quantities".

    Another interesting fact is that the people who cares this haplogroup "Dogons" have a high level of west eurasian admixture, unlike they west african neighbours.





    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...7/#!po=2.50000

    In some words this people "dogon" are close to tuaregs and saharan peoples than to the other west africans.
    There were many haplogroups found in Guanches the low frequency of E1a in Guanches cannot mean it is non-negroid.E1a is purely SSA. But even if there are non-West African haplogroups found in West Africa, it very much doesn't mean foreign admixture. People are hung up on that flawed notion. The Dogon themselves are perfect example of showing high Eurasian admixture but not showing phenotype similar to Woodabe and Fula who are thought to have high admixture,that is because some of these markers are erroneously labeled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    There were many haplogroups found in Guanches the low frequency of E1a in Guanches cannot mean it is non-negroid.E1a is purely SSA. But even if there are non-West African haplogroups found in West Africa, it very much doesn't mean foreign admixture. People are hung up on that flawed notion. The Dogon themselves are perfect example of showing high Eurasian admixture but not showing phenotype similar to Woodabe and Fula who are thought to have high admixture,that is because some of these markers are erroneously labeled.
    The Guanches haplogroups are similar to those of other north africans, I think E1a is more related to E3b than to E3a, since E1a is always accompanied by E3b "even in west africa" unlike the rapport between E1a and E3a.
    Some Dogons also have some northafrican features. low forehead, eye shape.
    look at these ones:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Berber_Warrior View Post
    The Guanches haplogroups are similar to those of other north africans, I think E1a is more related to E3b than to E3a, since E1a is always accompanied by E3b "even in west africa" unlike the rapport between E1a and E3a.
    Some Dogons also have some northafrican features. low forehead, eye shape.
    look at these ones:


    I think E1a is in fact a West African associated haplogroup. The E1a descends from E-P147 which also gave birth to other West African Y-DNA markers. The peculiar part of this haplogroup is that it is found in the Sudan and Morocco, but I will probably call this marker an old Capsian haplogroup that goes back for ages. The Guanches carry R1b @ 50.00% and have other Eurasian markers in their genepool.

    They are possibly from an old Capsian expansion into the Canary Islands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    I think E1a is in fact a West African associated haplogroup. The E1a descends from E-P147 which also gave birth to other West African Y-DNA markers. The peculiar part of this haplogroup is that it is found in the Sudan and Morocco, but I will probably call this marker an old Capsian haplogroup that goes back for ages. The Guanches carry R1b @ 50.00% and have other Eurasian markers in their genepool.

    They are possibly from an old Capsian expansion into the Canary Islands.
    Probably old capsian, and I'm talking about precolonial guaches they score about 10% of R1b

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