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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinbrook View Post
    Today, I found a Southeastern Sicilian who matches 5 Ashkenazic Jews and 4 people who are about half-Ashkenazi on a specific autosomal DNA segment that triangulates consistently.

    This is the second successful matchup between the Sicilian and Jewish communities that I've seen so far.

    Some other Sicilians I've checked have had no valid Jewish matches at all.

    I am still waiting to find a Calabrian-Jewish autosomal DNA link. I believe I will eventually.
    I would also like to explore any Italki-Ashkenazi autosomal DNA links that may exist.
    Southeast Sicily as in Syracuse and Ragusa? Interesting. From what I have seen these are the parts of Sicily with the least Near Eastern affinity. But some of the people from Ragusa must have Near Eastern input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tauromenion View Post
    Southeast Sicily as in Syracuse and Ragusa?
    Yes, specifically from the Siracusa (Syracuse) region.
    According to my manual segment match-analysis + calculations, I am genetically 98.34% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1.09% Sephardic Jewish, 0.11% Mizrahi Jewish, and 0.46% Polish Catholic.

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    We made an exciting discovery today. Another person from a Catholic family from southeastern Sicily carries a valid Jewish segment, and this one must be of Sephardic Jewish origin from Spain or Portugal because the following are her types of matches to it, with consistently successful triangulations between them:

    7 Ashkenazic Jews
    2 people with partial Ashkenazic Jewish heritage
    1 Sephardic Jew from Greece/Turkey
    3 Brazilians including a parent-child pair
    2 Mexicans
    5 New Mexican Hispanos including 2 close relatives of each other
    1 Colombian
    and a person with partial Hispanic ancestry

    This is the first time we have confirmed Sephardic autosomal DNA in a Sicilian.
    The previous discoveries matched 2 Sicilians to Ashkenazic Jews without any matches of Sephardic character.
    According to my manual segment match-analysis + calculations, I am genetically 98.34% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1.09% Sephardic Jewish, 0.11% Mizrahi Jewish, and 0.46% Polish Catholic.

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    Default Pugliese / West Sicilian 23andMe results

    I think this thread might take interest in the results of my parents and grandmother:

    Father, West Sicilan



    Grandmother, Pugliese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinuzzo View Post
    I think this thread might take interest in the results of my parents and grandmother:

    Father, West Sicilan



    Grandmother, Pugliese

    Which province/town in Sicily is your father from?

    It does not surprise me your Apulian grandmother has very high Balkan given that there is a lot of Greek ancestry there. More than in Sicily actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tauromenion View Post
    Which province/town in Sicily is your father from?

    It does not surprise me your Apulian grandmother has very high Balkan given that there is a lot of Greek ancestry there. More than in Sicily actually.
    He is from Castellammare del Golfo in Trapani.

    I'm surprised that Balkan is so high, more so than other Apulians I've seen. Eurogenes on Gedmatch puts her at Central Greek over South Italian, interestingly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinuzzo View Post
    He is from Castellammare del Golfo in Trapani.

    I'm surprised that Balkan is so high, more so than other Apulians I've seen. Eurogenes on Gedmatch puts her at Central Greek over South Italian, interestingly enough.
    Do you have your dad's GEDmatch? If you do and felt comfortable sharing the ID I would be curious to see. Your dad is from an area close to my grandmother's origins, her ancestry was from Carini and Capaci in Palermo. I suspect there is some excess Middle Eastern ancestry in this part of the island, likely leftover from the Phoenicians and Carthaginians. What do you think? There also seems to be similarity to Ashkenazi Jews on GEDmatch.

    I have seen Apulians with very high Balkan. Higher than hers. It is definitely due to Greek and Illyrian input. Have you tried putting both of them through MyHeritage? It is a free upload using your raw data and takes 3 days to process. I am curious how much Greek they might score instead of Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tauromenion View Post
    Do you have your dad's GEDmatch? If you do and felt comfortable sharing the ID I would be curious to see. Your dad is from an area close to my grandmother's origins, her ancestry was from Carini and Capaci in Palermo. I suspect there is some excess Middle Eastern ancestry in this part of the island, likely leftover from the Phoenicians and Carthaginians. What do you think? There also seems to be similarity to Ashkenazi Jews on GEDmatch.

    I have seen Apulians with very high Balkan. Higher than hers. It is definitely due to Greek and Illyrian input. Have you tried putting both of them through MyHeritage? It is a free upload using your raw data and takes 3 days to process. I am curious how much Greek they might score instead of Italian.
    Sure, his kit number is M824003. 23andMe Relative finder matched my father with someone of 100% Middle Eastern-Assyrian ancestry as a distant cousin, so I'm interested how exactly Sicilians are related to Middle Eastern groups. I've read that Ashkenazi and Italian is often confused between each other, so I'm not sure how much actual Ashkenazi/Sephardi there might be.

    Unfortunately MyHeritage doesn't accept 23andMe v5 as of now. My brother is tested on v4 and we had uploaded it to MyHeritage, but it showed a lot of Iberian instead of Greek, while all of our 23andMe tests (between my father, mother, grandmother, and brother) showed no Iberian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinuzzo View Post
    Sure, his kit number is M824003. 23andMe Relative finder matched my father with someone of 100% Middle Eastern-Assyrian ancestry as a distant cousin, so I'm interested how exactly Sicilians are related to Middle Eastern groups. I've read that Ashkenazi and Italian is often confused between each other, so I'm not sure how much actual Ashkenazi/Sephardi there might be.

    Unfortunately MyHeritage doesn't accept 23andMe v5 as of now. My brother is tested on v4 and we had uploaded it to MyHeritage, but it showed a lot of Iberian instead of Greek, while all of our 23andMe tests (between my father, mother, grandmother, and brother) showed no Iberian.
    It could be any of the following: Elymians, Phoenician and Carthaginian colonization of Sicily, assimilated Jews, various Middle Eastern Muslims who settled the island during Arab rule, and West Asian settlement from Anatolia, Armenia, or the Levant when it was under Byzantine rule. In all likelihood it is a combination of all of these. The Trapani/Palermo area was controlled by the Elymians at one point who were related to Hittites and would have come from Anatolia. This could explain any connection to Mesopotamian type people.

    Running your father through the GEDmatch calculators, he does have some elevated affinity toward groups like Uzbek Jews, Assyrians, and Kurds.
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