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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre Organtino View Post
    Iron Age scythians.
    Here I have one Iron Age Scythian in indigo:







    He looks quite Hyperborean (closest to Uralic yellow cluster) and is outside the Hole.

    By the way in my opinion "the Hole" here represents the Black Sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Here I have one Iron Age Scythian in indigo:
    I agree. I mentioned Iron Age Scythians cause they were the only northern Euro group that deviated in the direction of Caucasus
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    Lets took than the Iberian peninsula, 8 distant groups of IE was there Celtici Lusitanians Greeks Vandals Suevi Alani Goths and Italic people, only haplogroup G2a have there so many subgroups.
    The R1a have only one sugroup there the R1a1a1g2* and it is almost absent in that region
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    Via Bell Beaker Blogger: "Corded Ware Cultures Actually Related? (Semenov, Bulat, 2015)"






    Which reminded me of some older stuff:

    Quote Originally Posted by WIKIPEDIA
    Eurasiatic is a proposed language macrofamily that would include many language families historically spoken in northern, western, and southern Eurasia.

    The idea of a Eurasiatic superfamily dates back more than 100 years. Joseph Greenberg's proposal, dating to the 1990s, is the most widely discussed version. In 2013, Mark Pagel and three colleagues published what they believe to be statistical evidence for a Eurasiatic language family.

    The branches of Eurasiatic vary between proposals, but typically include Altaic (in the form of Mongolic, Tungusic and Turkic), Chukchi-Kamchatkan, Eskimo–Aleut, Indo-European, and Uralic—although Greenberg uses the controversial Uralic-Yukaghir classification instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Check out who gets a mention in supplement 1.

    By the way, the hours I spent arguing with a bunch of tards online that Scythians were Europeans of the northern variety. I guess now I can gloat.

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    I corrected my PCA showing now that BattleAxe_Sweden RISE94 and Scythian_IA I0247 are both R1a and are therefore pink.




    Erzyas are very interesting as they seem to be autosomally between Slavs and ancient populations of Sintashta, Srubnaya, Scythians, BattleAxe and CW but Erzya are very similar to Northern Slavs in respect to Y-DNA. Here is the map of genetic distances for Erzya:



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    David W. Anthony writes about the origin of Srubnaya as developing from Abashevo –> Potapowka/Sintashta – > Srubnaya:

    The Srubnaya (or Timber-Grave) culture was the most important LBA culture of the western steppes, from the Urals to the Dnieper (figure 16.10). The Andronovo horizon was the primary LBA complex of the eastern steppes, from the Urals to the Altai and the Tien Shan. Both grew from the Potapovka-Sintashta complex between the middle Volga and the Tobol.
    West of the Ural Mountains, the Potapovka and late Abashevo groups of the middle Volga region developed into the Pokrovka complex, dated about 1900-1750 BCE. Pokrovka was a proto-Srubnaya phase that rapidly developed directly into the Srubnaya (or Timber-Grave) culture (1800-1200 BCE). Srubnaya material culture spread as far west as the Dnieper valley. One of the most prominent features ofthe Srubnaya culture was the appearance of hundreds of small settlement sites, most of them containing just a few houses, across the northern steppe and the southern forest-steppe, from rhe Urals to the Dnieper. Although settlements had reappeared in a few places east of the Don River during the late Catacomb culture, 2400-2100 BeE, and were even more numerous in Ukraine west of the Don during the Mnogovalikovaya (MVK) period (2100-1800 BCE), the Srubnaya period was the first time since the Eneolithic that settlements appeared across the entire northern steppe zone from the Dnieper to the southern Urals and beyond into northern Kazakhstan.
    We can see that on PCA: Potapovka + some steppe populations –> Srubnaya :




    Potapovka came from Abashevo and Abashevo from Corded Ware. But it couldn’t have come directly from early Corded Ware by mixing with some steppe Yamnaya or Samara Eneolithic like populations. It is obvious from PCA. First step (arrow 1)was CWC mixing with some CHG heavy Neolithic Farmers somewhere in Poland producing Eastern Euro like populations and then moving east (arrow 2) mixing with various steppe populations and developing into Abashevo –> Potapovka –> Srubnaya/Andronovo etc.
    I think something similar happened in Western Europe where Bell Beakers mixed with some CHG heavy Neolithic Farmers producing Western Euro like populations (arrow 3). Arrows 1 and 3 seem to be parallel.

    I have no doubt that those early eastern migrations from Poland which led to the development of Middle Dnieper, Abashevo, Potapowka and later Srubnaya and Andronovo were the migrations of farmers who knew how to raise pigs, keep honeybees and grow millet and were not steppe nomads. Some of them became nomads later.I was speculating about it in 2011:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Scythian_IA from Nadezhdinka, Volga Steppes, Samara was dated 380-200 calBCE. At that period some eastern steppe tribes from Kazakhstan and Siberia were moving west and settling around Volga river pushing European Sarmatians out of Volga steppes. From Sulimirki’s book “Sarmaci”:



    That movement was probably started by Massagetae who became very powerful in Central Asia and pushed other tribes out. Later it was accelerated by the Huns.
    This could explain elevated levels of 9% NE_Asian and 3% SW_Asian in comparison to Srubnaya.
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    The Eurogenes project is about autosomal DNA, not haplogroups. OT-split found here.

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    Plotting the stats here with Past3 as linear models might uncover some interesting patterns in affinites, but I'm away from the comp for a while now...

    Bronze Age steppe warrior affinity test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Plotting the stats here with Past3 as linear models might uncover some interesting patterns in affinites, but I'm away from the comp for a while now...

    Bronze Age steppe warrior affinity test

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