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    Quote Originally Posted by Persian_Otomi View Post
    Who dude?
    The article, that Celph posted that amount of Filipinos isn't enough to appear in the Mexican gene pool. I think, those tiny percentages, of Filipino ancestry must be from Colonial.
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    Mexicans Maternal Line 23andMe




    L2a1: 1

    This is observed in West Africa among the Malinke, Wolof, and others; in North Africa among the Maure/Moor, Hausa, Fulbe, and others; in Central Africa among the Bamileke, Fali, and others; in South Africa among the Khoisan family including the Khwe and Bantu speakers; and in East Africa among the Kikuyu from Kenya. Related variants have been observed among the Dinka in the Nile Valley, the Tuareg in North and West Africa, and the Somali in Kenya.(Ely et al. 2006; Watson et al. 1997)

    L2a also made its way to South America through the slave trade; today a branch of L2a, L2a1, is found in up to 40% in some Afro-Brazilian populations.



    L2a1a: 1

    L2a1a is defined by a mutation at 16286. The L2a1a founder candidate dates to 2,700 (SE 1,200) years ago. (Pereira et al. 2001). However, L2a1a, as defined by a substitution at (np 16286) (Salas et al. 2002), is now supported by a coding-region marker (np 3918) (fig. 2A) and was found in four of six Yemeni L2a1 lineages. L2a1a occurs at its highest frequency in Southeastern Africa (Pereira et al. 2001; Salas et al. 2002). Both the frequent founder haplotype and derived lineages (with 16092 mutation) found among Yemenis have exact matches within Mozambique sequences (Pereira et al. 2001; Salas et al. 2002). L2a1a also occurs at a smaller frequency in North West Africa, among the Maure and Bambara of Mali and Mauritania. (Rando et al. 1998; Maca-Meyer et al. 2003)



    L2a1a2b: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    I2: 2

    Found in northern and central Europe, Anatolia, the North Caucasus and Azerbaijan



    L3e2a: 1

    Found mainly in Central Africa



    L3e2a1a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    L3e2b: 1

    The derived subclade L3e2b is found primarily in West Africa



    A2: 56

    Haplogroup A2 is the most common haplogroup among the Inuit, Na-Denes, and many Amerind ethnic groups of North and Central America. Lineages belonging to haplogroup A2 also comprise the majority of the mtDNA pool of the Inuit and their neighbors, the Chukchis, in northeasternmost Siberia.



    A4: 1

    The modern geography of A4 and its subclades spans Eastern Eurasia and the Americas.



    A2g: 4

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    A2d2: 1

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    A2d1: 1

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    A2d1a: 4

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    A2h: 4

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    X2: 1

    Haplogroup X2, in contrast, has spread widely. Its current distribution stretches from Scotland to Morocco and eastward to Siberia and even into North America. The haplogroup's expansion is thought to have begun in the Near East or Caucasus region of western Eurasia about 20,000 years ago, when the Ice Age was at its peak. As the climate warmed and the massive continental glaciers covering much of the Northern Hemisphere began to retreat, people on the X2 branch joined a rapid northward expansion into the previously ice-covered zone.



    X2a1a1: 1

    Found among the Sioux and Tanoan speakers



    U5b3: 2

    Found especially in Sardinia, but also in parts of western, central and southern Europe, in the South Caucasus and Mesopotamia



    U5b3c: 2

    Found in Sardinia and southern Italy



    U6a7: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    U5b2a2: 1

    Found mostly in northern and central Europe (including Mesolithic Germany), but also in Lebanon, Kazakhstan and Siberia



    U5b1: 1

    Found in northwest Africa, western, central and north-east Europe, Central Asia and Siberia



    K1a: 5

    K1a was the most frequent form of K found in Neolithic samples all over Europe.

    K1a is also very common in the Levant today, notably among the Druzes, who are believed to be the population most representative of the pre-Arabic expansion in the Levant, and possibly the closest to the original Neolithic farmers.



    U5a1b: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    U3: 2

    Haplogroup U3 is most common among the Roma people, also known as the Gypsies. The Roma migrated to southeastern Europe from northern India during the Middle Ages, and then spread throughout the continent. As they historically rarely intermarried with other Europeans they have retained the signatures of this westward migration.

    Up to 55% of the Roma today have mitochondrial DNA belonging to U3. Since this haplogroup is common in Spanish, Lithuanian and Polish Roma it probably became incorporated into the Roma population before they diverged throughout Europe.



    U3a1: 1

    U3a1 itself seems to have originated in Eastern Europe perhaps 8 or 9 thousand years ago.



    K2a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    U4a3: 2

    Found in Poland, Germany Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium and England



    U4b1a2: 1

    Found in the British Isles and Norway



    B2: 42

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    B2b: 1

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    B2a: 5

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    B2a1a: 1

    Found in the Americas among its indigenous people



    HV0: 3

    No info on this haplogroup



    H5a: 3

    H5a is thought to be around 7000–8000 years old, in other words the mutation T4336C probably occurred c. 5500 BC. It is fairly evenly distributed at low levels across Europe. The average in samples from Austria, Germany, Hungary, Macedonia and Romania was 2.4%. Yet it is almost absent from the Caucasus and the Near East, suggesting a European origin. Although it was initially thought to have its highest level on the central European plain, more recent research has shown the highest levels in Iberia, the Balkans and Finno-Scandia. The British Isles was excluded from the latter study, but the former showed that H5a does occur there.


    H4a: 1

    H4a, which spread north and west from the Caucusus region or neighboring Turkey into eastern Europe about 10,000 years ago, possibly in association with the spread of farming. The haplogroup is most common today in Poland, where about 5% of the population carries it.



    H1e1a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    H7a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    H1: 3

    H1 encompasses an important fraction of Western European mtDNA, reaching its local peak among contemporary Basques (27.8%) and appearing at a high frequency among other Iberians and North Africans. Its frequency is above 10% in many other parts of Europe (France, Sardinia, British Isles, Alps, large portions of Eastern Europe), and above 5% in nearly all the continent.



    H1c: 1

    Found especially in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and North Asia



    H1a1: 3

    No info on this haplogroup



    H1n: 1

    Found especially in Germanic countries and Finland



    H3: 1

    Found throughout Europe and in the Maghreb



    H2a2b1: 3

    No info on this haplogroup



    H6a1a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    H6a1b: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    H13a1a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    H10: 3

    Found throughout Europe



    J2a1a1: 2

    No info on this haplogroup



    J2a2d: 2

    Found in the Maghreb



    T1: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    T1a: 1

    Found in Europe, North Africa, the Near East, Central Asia and North Asia



    T2c1: 1

    Found in Iran, Iraq, the Arabian peninsula, Italy, Sardinia, Spain and Central Europe



    T2a1a: 1

    Found in Europe, the Near East, Central Asia and India



    J1c2: 1

    Found throughout Europe



    J1c3: 3

    Found throughout Europe



    C1: 7

    The subclades C1b, C1c, C1d, and C4c are found in the first people of the Americas.



    M1a3b: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    C1c: 14

    The subclades C1b, C1c, C1d, and C4c are found in the first people of the Americas.



    C1b: 1

    The subclades C1b, C1c, C1d, and C4c are found in the first people of the Americas.



    C1b2: 18

    The subclades C1b, C1c, C1d, and C4c are found in the first people of the Americas.



    D1: 10

    Its subclade D1 (along with D2, D3, and D4h3a) is one of five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas, the others being A, B, C, and X.



    L3b1a: 1

    It is common in the Lake Chad basin



    L0a2: 1

    Another branch of L0a, L0a2, is also common in central and southeastern Africa.



    L3f1b: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    L3f1b4a: 2

    No info on this haplogroup



    L3d1b: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    L3d1c: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    L1c3a: 1

    No info on this haplogroup



    L1b1a: 1

    L1b1a—that is spread among Ethiopians and Nubians (Krings et al. 1999) and is associated with relatively low downstream variation (fig. 2A).



    L1b1a6: 1

    Found in West Africa



    L0a1a: 1

    L0a1a also seems to be involved in the East African Bantu Expansion and is very high in Mozambique.

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    An Italian wrote this on the Apricity which i found interesting

    Just discovered some days ago that there were at least 300 italian mercenaries under Cortéz conquista of Aztech Empire and the Noche Triste

    Maybe this, more than recent (XIX-XX) immigration, can explain even the ''italian'' and the ''sardinian'' admisture in mexicans.

    he also wrote this about the Cantu surname being present only in Mexico and Italy

    No it's lombard...''Cantù'' in lombard language simply mean ''angle'' or ''canton''.
    But lombard language is related with catalan (they're both gallo-romance), so they can have a similar word.
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    another Italian surname only present in Mexico and not anywhere else in the Americas is Lomeli which seems to be in Mexico since colonial times, maybe the mexicans with this surname are descendents of those Italians who came with Cortez

    Mexican, probably via Catalan Lomelí from the Italian family name Lomellino, habitational name from Lomello, a town in Lombardy. GT. IGI: 0 NW Europe; only Mexico.

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    The Italian surname Lomeli, which also appears in its native Italy

    Blazon of arms: Per fess Verb or.
    Origin: Italy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celph Titled View Post
    An Italian wrote this on the Apricity which i found interesting




    he also wrote this about the Cantu surname being present only in Mexico and Italy



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    another Italian surname only present in Mexico and not anywhere else in the Americas is Lomeli which seems to be in Mexico since colonial times, maybe the mexicans with this surname are descendents of those Italians who came with Cortez

    Mexican, probably via Catalan Lomelí from the Italian family name Lomellino, habitational name from Lomello, a town in Lombardy. GT. IGI: 0 NW Europe; only Mexico.

    Lomeli
    The Italian surname Lomeli, which also appears in its native Italy

    Blazon of arms: Per fess Verb or.
    Origin: Italy
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    Is Lomeli from northern itali? I know a gal with that surname

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iroczor View Post
    Is Lomeli from northern itali? I know a gal with that surname
    yeah its a northern italian surname, is that girl mexican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celph Titled View Post
    yeah its a northern italian surname, is that girl mexican?
    yes, from mexico city

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iroczor View Post
    yes, from mexico city
    interesting, seems like Lomeli is spread in many mexican states unlike Cantu which seems to be more present in northeastern mexico

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    some interesting things, we had Algerian, Sudanese and Egyptian soldiers in Mexico during the French invasion


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    i think all this can explain why Mexicans score a high MENA on 23andme when Spaniards dont score any, also Gary Felix says the average MENA of mexicans on FTDNA is 23% which is very high if we compare it to spaniards who dont score anywhere near that

    The first Europeans who came to New Spain (now Mexico) were soldiers and sailors of Extremadura, Andalusia and La Mancha. Among the soldiers that the Spanish crown send to take care of the colonial territory were Cordoba and Granada Muslims, Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians and Ceutans who were converts to Catholicism to avoid being persecuted by the Inquisition. Mexico was also the getaway destination for Sephardic Jews who crossed the Atlantic to New Spain.

    When Cortés landed on April 21, 1519 on Mexican beaches, their hosts, their modest heterogeneous troops, together gathered people of different nationalities preponderance of Spanish, but among the Spanish troops there were 70 Italians, three Greeks, three French, one English, one German, so we could say paradoxically that the conquest of the empire Moctezuma was conducted by the allied forces of Old Europe.

    When Hernando Cortes conquered the Aztecs in 1521, he was accompanied by several Conversos Jews forcibly converted to Christianity during the Inquisition of 1492. Conversos or Anusim, immigrated in mass to Nueva España (present day Mexico) and some estimate that by the middle of the 16th century, there were more of these crypto-Jews in Mexico City than Spanish Catholics.

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    Clarifying Mitochondrial DNA Subclades of T2e from Mideast to Mexico
    We have found that individuals of Mexican descent share this rare mitochondrial genetic haplotype with Sephardic Jews. A match between these groups was reported previously [8], but was based solely on the control region of the mitochondrial DNA. By finding here an identical match in the coding region from full mitochondrial genomic sequencing, we have ruled out the possibility of a superficial resemblance from unrelated mutational events. Instead, the two groups are part of the same phylogenetic clade and share a common origin.
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    The finding provides genetic evidence for a Sephardic origin detectable in the modern people of parts of Mexico. This meshes well with historical analysis of the regions of Mexico and South Texas where individuals bearing this Ottoman-Mexican Sephardic signature are found. Some of our samples can be traced to Monterrey, Mexico. Monterrey is the center of Nuevo León, the northern region developed by Luís de Carvajal y de la Cueva who was a Portuguese New Christian, or convert from Judaism to Christianity [26]. It has been reported that the founding of Monterrey was with Sephardic inhabitants brought in from Portugal [27],

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    You forgot the all mighty L3b1

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