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    You numb it, this is more dumb that you not comprehending that Naqada was in Lower Nubia in ancient times and everyone knows Naqdaians as well as inhabitants of the Aswan region are predominantly Nubian.

    I don't care one crap about the word play with the word Nubians or not, in ancient times everyone in the lower southern Egypt and northern Sudan were labeled with the Nubian title.

    You quoting a fable from a fantasy book does not corroborate with evidence of any kind. I feel sorry for the idiots who follow your musings.

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    I find it hilarious.

    The late Senegalese anthropologist Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop (so-called Afrocentric scholar) conducted an experiment called Melanin Dosage Test, that through analyzing the epidermis of 12 Egyptian mummies would prove the melanin content. Through proper analysis, the test could show if the Egyptians were highly melanated(African), intermediate(Bi-racial) or very low melanin content (Caucasian).

    Eumelanin(deep hued races~Africans)

    Pheomelanin(pale-skinned races~white/Caucasian)

    Now of course this genetic study was overlooked, although the Melanin study was revised relatively recently by Europeans proving the same thing Dr. Diop proved of the Ancient Egyptians being Black Africans years ago.




    Skin sections showed particularly good tissue preservation, although cellular outlines were never distinct. Although much of the epidermis had already separated from the dermis, the remaining epidermis often was preserved well (Fig. 1). The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin. In the dermis, the hair follicles, hair, and sebaceous and sweat glands were readily apparent (Fig. 2). Blood vessels, but no red blood cells, and small peripheral nerves were identified unambiguously (Fig. 3). The subcutaneous layer showed loose connective tissue fibers attached to the dermis, and fat cell remnants were observed. To evaluate the influence of postmortum tissue decay by micro-organisms, the samples were tested for the presence of fungi using silver staining. Fungi were observed in some samples and were widespread in both epidermis and dermis. The molecular preservation of the antigen determinants, due to tissue preser- vation, determines the accuracy of the immunohis- tological stains. Depending on the rehydration or fixation procedure, specific immunohisto- chemical detections of single antigens were specific. Fig. 1. Ancient Egyptian skin. Epidermis, dermis and sweat glands rehydrated with solution III and fixed with formaldehyde. H & E. 200)/. Fig. 2. Ancient Egyptian skin. Sebaceous gland rehy- drated with solution III.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    You numb it, this is more dumb that you not comprehending that Naqada was in Lower Nubia in ancient times and everyone knows Naqdaians as well as inhabitants of the Aswan region are predominantly Nubian.

    I don't care one crap about the word play with the word Nubians or not, in ancient times everyone in the lower southern Egypt and northern Sudan were labeled with the Nubian title.

    You quoting a fable from a fantasy book does not corroborate with evidence of any kind. I feel sorry for the idiots who follow your musings.
    You are adressing something that is not really important. I am looking for you to grace us with your knowledge on the Ancient DNA I posted in the thread. Enlighten us.

    Oh and please go on about the details of Hpai 3592.
    I posted ancient mtDNA that so far nobody has taken a crack at.
    In your infinite wisdom of African genetics, care to school the board on the findings?......How or how not the data listed jives with the comparison of Ancient and Contemporary Dakhlah oasis dwellers? - Beyoku
    That data likely is nowhere else on the entire web, you have first dibs.....break it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gaeta View Post
    Question: Could you give a brief explanation on how the results show a possible match for E1b1b1?
    The authors used an online predictor tool to determine Ramesses III's Y-haplogroup. As it turns out, just one of his Y-STR alleles supposedly supports that he was E1b1ba1 rather than E1b1b1. That same allele hasn't been found in huge databases of West Eurasian E-M35 lineages, but it has been found among African E-M35 lineages.


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    Which study was that? And from what region and time period was the mummy from?
    This is the study. The analyzed mummies lived between 806 BC and 124 AD, i.e. from the Third Intermediate Period to the Roman Period.

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    Probably something like these people here, but more SSA the more ancient you go into its roots and less Mediterranean and SW Asian components.


    I think the transition of ancient Egypt to modern Egypt is somewhat similar to Indus Valley and the modern people of Pakistan/Western-India. The civilization was originally and overwhelmingly SSA for Egyptians with pockets of SW-Asian and Med people well integrated as traders/farmers/migrants/etc. Then gradually the demographics switched around to favor the latter types over the millennia, with the transition occurring within the time frame of ancient Egypt itself. Same with the Indus Valley, although much less extreme. The original IVC was overwhelmingly SW-Asian with pockets of Meds, Nordics, NE-Asian, SE-Asian. And then gradually the demographics of those areas absorbed more and more Med and Nordic gene flow, but they were always there from the beginning. Egypt has been conquered by plenty of groups to its north and east, very few times has it got its SSA component reinforced except the Nubian conquest. Most of the time when they got conquered it was by Persians, Anatolians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, etc. So perhaps those conquests are favoring the Med/SW-Asian components more than what it was in the past in the people of today. Egypt wasn't as densely populated as the subcontinent, so its genetics can take less conquest to alter significantly.

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    Ancient Egypt was 100% black in the beginning.



    I wish that many of you all will look at ancient depictions of these "SW Asians" whom you are automatically attributing to a non black source. This was a "Persian" ruler of ancient Egypt.

    Nectanebo II


    Who do think that these people spreading the so called Afro-Asiatic (a fake language family to begin with) coming right out of a Nubian (Sudanese) source looked like?





    “..one can identify Negroid (Ethiopic or Bushmanoid?) traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the unknown predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians....". (Angel 1972. Biological Relations of Egyptians and Eastern Mediterranean Populations.. JrnHumEvo 1:1, p307
    Everyone's (later/contemporary non black inhabitants of these ancient civilizations) trying to steal the black man's history.



    Catal Huyuk was an ancient civilization which is found on this map (hint modern Turkey):



    What verifies this migration? Our blood disease which is still the region to this day:


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    ^source??

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    I doubt Copts are unaltered Ancient Egyptians. Coptic results I have seen including by a poster who used to be here, show ~15% "Sicilian" type genes, which surely implies that Copts in Egypt have some Greek ancestry.

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    I always thought the ancient Egyptians just look like modern day egyptians

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    Quote Originally Posted by tauromenion View Post
    I doubt Copts are unaltered Ancient Egyptians. Coptic results I have seen including by a poster who used to be here, show ~15% "Sicilian" type genes, which surely implies that Copts in Egypt have some Greek ancestry.
    If that was the case, then why do Egyptians not possess the blue, "northern European component"? The "Caucasus" and "Mediterranean" components are the same, but the northern European component in Greeks is what makes your theory weak. The non-African ancestry in (modern) Egyptians is most similar to the Druze and Saudi. Compare:

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    K=47 Results
    78.92% African
    • 59.05% West-African
    • 8.36% Central-African_HG
    • 3.32% East-African_HG
    • 2.22% Nilotic
    • 2.11% Omotic(?)
    • 1.78% Sahelian
    • 1.05% South-African_HG
    • 1.03% Kushitic(?)

    11.84% West Eurasian
    • 3.79% North-Sea_Germanic
    • 2.15% East-Euro
    • 1.39% Scando-Germanic
    • 1.26% Paleo-Balkan
    • 0.88% Central-Med
    • 0.54% NW-Indian(?)
    • 0.42% East-Iberian
    • 0.39% Baltic
    • 0.14% West-Med
    • 0.17% North-Iberian
    • 0.02% East-Med

    9.92% Native/Indigenous to Americas
    • 4.59% Meso-Amerind
    • 2.14% Amazonian
    • 2.01% Andean
    • 1.15% North-Amerind
    • 0.02% South-Indian(?)
    • 0.01% Tibetan(?)

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