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    I hope reason prevails in Scotland today and they remain in the UK.
    "We will be rich because we have oil & whisky" Get real, Scots! Secession is a lose-lose scenario.

    I just facepalm when I keep reading things such as this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...oslovakia.html
    Yep, there is a lesson to learn: to stay together instead of falling prey to nationalist charlatans who whip up popular sentiments to gain their own sandbox country. Seeing photos of that fukhead gangster and wannabe dictator Mečiar and his retard crowd in foreign media makes me feel a tingle of shame. That criminal is portrayed as some kind of a "reasonable man", oh my Liar, demagogue, megathief, gangster par excellence.

    And in case Scotland votes to secede, I propose it gets replaced by Slovakia. I would very much welcome British administration in this shit country. At least the current gigathief and fukhead Robert Fico and his whole band of retards would stop putting us to international shame.
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    Isn't there a solid argument in favor of Independence based on Governance principles?

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    What are you Scottish (and people from Scottish background) guys thoughts on this?

    Some folks from Scotland I know are very divided. Those who will vote "with their heart" (considering national pride and Scottish culture) are going to vote "yes", but those who will vote "with reason" (considering the economic problems that will happen if secession happens) are going to vote "no".

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    Isn't better to the british that the scottish get the ffff out?

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    The outcome will probably be a yes. Personally I'd rather Scotland remained part of the Union.
    To be fair I think there are good reasons for either argument, obvious reasons for the yes side is a "proper" written constitution and a government that actually reflects the Scottish people. The current right-wing leaning government does not. Scotland already does get a lot of bonuses compared to the rest of the UK though. For example University is generally free (compared to England & Wales £3000-£9000 per year). I'm not sure how they think they will retain the current level of social services without English money, but the first decade will definitely be a bumpy ride.

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    Over here, most newspapers are saying about the "considerable advantage" of the "no" on polls. It's a surprise to read that the "yes" may win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakar-Baal View Post
    I'm not sure how they think they will retain the current level of social services without English money
    The socialists aren't sure either, but they usually don't ask such mundane questions.

    This whole independence thing really seems to me like someone (the Scottish left) wants their own playground to play on, and ultimately ruin it.

    And the Alex Salmond guy is either a colossal ignorant, or a demagogue (or both).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windischer View Post
    The socialists aren't sure either, but they usually don't ask such mundane questions.
    There's a simple chart that supposedly breaks it down:

    They're idealistic, I'll give them that.

    This whole independence thing really seems to me like someone (the Scottish left) wants their own playground to play on, and ultimately ruin it.
    There's most definitely an element of that, as you said it'll be a sandbox for them to experiment in. I do like the idea in some ways, but it could obviously go horribly wrong. I mean they are experimenting with people's lives. Personally I do think it will work out eventually, but the first number of years will be very rough.

    And the Alex Salmond guy is either a colossal ignorant, or a demagogue (or both).
    I really haven't read or watched much of him, but the "Better Together" (no) campaign keep pushing Gordon Brown into the picture for some reason. Possibly the least charismatic person in UK politics . Brown, along with a bit of FUD that the no campaign has been pushing has sort of damaged their reputation a bit. A lot of celebrities seem to be against them which doesn't help either (especially considering 16 year olds can vote).

    Even when you don't consider that, right off the bat the no campaign were fighting an uphill battle. Superficially no has negative connotations, yes has positive. Obviously there's also the change vs. no change aspect - some people simply want to give separation a try and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakar-Baal View Post
    There's a simple chart that supposedly breaks it down:

    They're idealistic, I'll give them that.
    Financial sector will be weakened (IIRC Bank of Scotland announced moving to London or something like that if people vote yes) and oil & gas prices may go down even more (making it a rather short-to-mid-term investment).
    This is not much of a problem though. A socialist government would put pressure on all sectors of economy. That is the problem.

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    Reason has prevailed! This time, at least

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