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    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    Ashkenazi Jews didn't contribute a damn thing untill the turn of the 1800's.
    I've been reading a bit about medieval intellectuals, and Jews were already present then in Europe as mathematicians and theologians. Jews have been a part of European intellectual life from early on.
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    of course the modern European religion (Christianity) also comes out of the Jewish tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
    I've been reading a bit about medieval intellectuals, and Jews were already present then in Europe as mathematicians and theologians. Jews have been a part of European intellectual life from early on.
    Hmm, and yet from the history of Jews in Poland, I can't find a single intellect before Izrael Stern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
    of course the modern European religion (Christianity) also comes out of the Jewish tradition.
    I don't know what that has to do with Intellect, exactly?

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    Obviously only stupid people like voyager think that Jews are somehow the reason for European intellectual achievements.. but we can ignore people like him and recognize that Jews have been a part of European intellectual life from early on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    I don't know what that has to do with Intellect, exactly?
    The Hebrew Bible is clearly a major intellectual achievement, even if it is very stupid in many respects.

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    Who's to say that Western civilization isn't born in the Kurgan expansion around the Pontic Steppe?
    Greeks & Romans are both part Kurgan related ancestry too.
    So, they speak their Indo-European languages.
    Why would "Western civilization" go back to the steppe? lol

    Easterners like Armenians, Iranians and Indians all have ancestry from that area, but those Easterners did not create so called Western Civilization. It was born in ancient Greece. So simply having steppe ancestry doesn't cut it.

    Not to mention the whole "Western Civilization" is a term only coined in the 18th or 19th century. The Ancient Greeks and Romans did not consider their northern neighbors "fellow Westerners" and feel some sort of hard core kinship with them. It's more a modern academic term that distinguishes firstly the Greeks and then later European thought and cultural patterns from the East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    Why would "Western civilization" go back to the steppe? lol

    Easterners like Armenians, Iranians and Indians all have ancestry from that area, but those Easterners did not create so called Western Civilization. It was born in ancient Greece. So simply having steppe ancestry doesn't cut it.

    Not to mention the whole "Western Civilization" is a term only coined in the 18th or 19th century. The Ancient Greeks and Romans did not consider their northern neighbors "fellow Westerners" and feel some sort of hard core kinship with them. It's more a modern academic term that distinguishes firstly the Greeks and then later European thought and cultural patterns from the East.
    If your Indo-European language you speak come from the Steppes people of the East, how do you figure that your culture doesn't come from the Steppe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
    The Hebrew Bible is clearly a major intellectual achievement, even if it is very stupid in many respects.
    How is documenting the so called words of God a major intellectual achievement?

    Actually, I could argue quite the opposite, that Indo-European religions were more superior.
    Or at least more scientific.

    With Hindus speaking of many things akin to science, especially with both Hindu & Slavic mythology talking about an exploding egg, something similar to the big bang.

    In fact there's such articles on Hinduism being more Scientific.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relati...ience#Hinduism

    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publi...-hindu-thought

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    It looks like in the U.S.A at least, that Catholic Poles & Irish at least have scored IQ's more, or less like Ashkenazi Jews.

    That in 1970's the IQ of Polish American immigrants was 109, and the IQ Polish American children was approx 110, and in the 1960's the IQ of Irish American immigrants was 107, and the IQ of Irish American children was approx 109.5.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=zE...n%20IQ&f=false
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    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    If your Indo-European language you speak come from the Steppes people of the East, how do you figure that your culture doesn't come from the Steppe?
    Some of it obviously does, but not all of it or even close. Anyway, only about 50% of Ancient Greek words are Indo-European. The language's morphology is Indo-European, but in terms of vocabulary it's only about half. Even the Greek terms for "King" such as 'Anax' or 'Basileus' were of non Indo-European origin.

    How much does Finnish culture come from Siberia? Since they speak Uralic.
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