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    I'm replying to this in a new thread instead of going off topic in the Putin thread, and also because it's an interesting topic that deserves a thread of its own.

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    The left isn't really so much anti-American as it is anti-white, regardless of if it's white America or white Europe.
    I don't really object what you are saying about anti-white/anti-native (as long as the native means European) views of the left.
    Well the left is totally anti-Assyrian as well; for example, all the left does is protest against Palestinians being treated badly by Israel. There's more Palestinians in Israel (around 4 million) than there are Assyrians throughout the entire Middle East; that's how much Assyrians have been persecuted down there. Globally, there's like 2-4 million Assyrians, something like that. So why does the left not say anything about how Assyrians have been and are being persecuted as we speak? For two important reasons:

    1) What the left really is, more than anything, is anti-Christianity.
    2) The left is really a political interests organization for Islam.

    And Europeans (historically anyway) represent the Christian religion, and nowadays, the most vocal supporters of Christianity, come from America (although the US really isn't a Christian country anyhow, but that's beside the point). You can still be a fanatic bible thumper in America, and proud of it too, whereas elsewhere, like modern secular northern Europe, it's usually looked down upon, and in the Middle East you'll be persecuted for your Christian beliefs.

    And there's also another reason why the left is so anti-America: because America represents the last major bastion of not only Christianity, but also old school white rule, and European traditions in general. Of course the white demography is declining in America, but it's really only in America where capitalism is still strong (no other country, not even Britain or rest of Europe, is capitalism on steroids the same way America is).

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    Anti-Americanism still plays very large part of the leftwing movements. Be it in Venezuela, France or Finland.
    Some of the criticism the left is vocal about against America, is valid though. That doesn't mean other countries in Europe or elsewhere should be exempt from criticism.

    The big problem with the left isn't that it's criticizing America; the big problem with the left is that its criticism is one-sided and totally absent when it comes to Muslim countries or African countries and so on. That's where the left is totally silent. Part of the reason the left behaves like this, is because the left is very racist in its worldview, and basically acknowledges that non-whites aren't adults, and can't handle being criticized like adults. To some extent this is also true, because look at how Muslims rage worldwide whenever some untalented Scandinavian cartoonist draws a lame cartoon of Muhammed, as a case in point. Real men — as in adults — don't get offended by such silly shit.

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    The left is pure evil really.
    Left is basically about stealing money.
    You mean, as opposed to the right? It's not like people who make billions of dollars have actually earned that much money either, ya know. No one really "owns" money anyway, and money is constantly flowing right to left, up and down, back and forth all the time, to all kinds of people who don't really deserve it.

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    They want strong state that can steal (=TAX) from strong,successfull individuals and transfer that money to the pockets of weak individuals who are the leftards themselves.
    It's not like these "strong, successful individuals", were born that way in the first place. They were given opportunities and a better environment (knowledge-wise) to succeed. That doesn't mean they don't have natural talent (as in genes for intelligence or whatever), but it's not like they're totally magical and above the rest of us mortals either.

    Calling it stealing is merely a point of view. The other point of view, the leftist POV, is that it's sharing, as in sharing within a solid community. You call it stealing because you want every penny for yourself (and that's egotism). But what makes you think it should be acceptable for a person to own 80 billion US dollars? You think Bill Gates hasn't screwed people over with Microsoft and Monsanto? Guess again. It's one thing if they own all that money through selling good products and whatnot, but Monsanto is contributing to the destruction of the biosphere. Anyone who profits from that, is an immoral man in my book.

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    Element of statism is always present as is using extra-parliamentary measures, such as hooliganism and rioting.
    Yes, and this is the mental midgetry of the leftist crowd. They can't argue rationally for their beliefs and so they resort to violence.

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    Left pretends that it is all about human rights, while it is about human negligence and freeloading.
    Well the left isn't so much about negligence and freeloading, as it is about extremist humanism. If the left wasn't influential, we wouldn't have 7 billion people today; we'd have a much smaller amount of people (well below a billion), and responsible people at that, who wouldn't be polluting the environment. The great irony of the left and socialists is that they really believe that humans are too stupid to make their own responsible decisions, which is actually true, and the left isn't wrong about that: people really are irresponsible. But somehow, it hasn't occurred to these leftist geniuses, that putting all human life on a pedestal and making every human life sacrosanct, is a recipe for disaster. Our planet is a ticking powder keg as we speak, and we have leftist ideology to thank for it.

    As for why the left is evil, the left hand is called sinister in Latin for a damn good reason. The ancient world always viewed the left hand as evil. That doesn't mean there aren't any good stuff from the political left; there really is, but from a wholistic point of view, the left is more evil than good, definitely.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Well, the left here, apart from the extreme, is not anti-America anymore, since America has a progressive mulatto as president, have implemented gay marriage, and hasn't bombed a country in more than ten years.

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    As for why the left is evil, the left hand is called sinister in Latin for a damn good reason. The ancient world always viewed the left hand as evil. That doesn't mean there aren't any good stuff from the political left; there really is, but from a wholistic point of view, the left is more evil than good, definitely.
    I thought the term derived from the French parliamentary system, where the royalist was on the right side in the parliament and the pro-revolution on the left side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janos View Post
    Well, the left here, apart from the extreme, is not anti-America anymore, since America has a progressive mulatto as president, have implemented gay marriage, and hasn't bombed a country in more than ten years.
    What's there to be anti-America about in the Swedish left, when America is indeed becoming more and more of a leftist country as we speak?

    The right in America is a weak, dumb, incompetent joke; ignorant, corrupt evil, and a pale shadow of its former self (this doesn't mean that the Democrats are good though, because they're even worse than the Republicans). Notice how hilariously dumb all the Republican presidents and presidential candidates have been lately:

    1) George W. Bush (and I hear his dad was almost as retarded too, but I was too young to remember much of daddy Bush's antics)
    2) John McCain
    3) Mitt Romney

    ^^ Compare these knuckleheads to the moderately intellectual and eloquent presidents and presidential candidates from the left:

    1) Bill Clinton
    2) John Kerry
    3) Barack Obama

    Not that the leftist presidents have been Chomskies or anything, but compared to the airheads in the GOP, they've been far sharper and way more cerebral.

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    I thought the term derived from the French parliamentary system, where the royalist was on the right side in the parliament and the pro-revolution on the left side.
    It is derived from the French parliamentary system, but as a concept, it's far older:

    “We can go beyond the dualism expressed by twins to outright binary opposition as one of the underlying structures of Indo-European ideology. The most familiar example can be seen in how the Indo-Europeans treated the basic directions. As we have seen, the opposition between the Proto-Indo-European words for right and left also presents a systematic opposition between the concepts of propitious, healthy, strong, dexterous (Latin dexter, Sanskrit daksina, Avestan dasina-, Lithuanian desine, Old Church Slavonic desn, Greek dexios, Old Irish dess, Albanian djathtë, and so on, from Proto-Indo-European *deḱs-), and the left which is unfavourable, unsound, weak, or, to use the Latin again, sinister. This opposition is also sexual since the right side or right hand is regularly associated with males and the left with females. Furthermore, the opposition also carries into the cardinal directions: the propitious south lay to the right (the Sanskrit and Irish words for right also mean south), while to the left lay the malevolent north, thus demonstrating that Proto-Indo-Europeans faced east to orient themselves. This right—left polarity is naturally not confined to the Indo-Europeans but can be found throughout the world. Nevertheless, securing this polarity to Proto-Indo-European society does provide the archaeologist examining the position and orientation of burials with another clue for tracking the course of the Indo-Europeans.”
    — J.P. Mallory, In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology, and Myth, ISBN 050005052X, p. 140

    You may have read stuff like "God's right hand" in the bible, as an example. And this is also btw, why feminism is a leftist movement.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Sinister is Latin word for left, its other meanings have been constructed later. Not vice versa, as you say.
    Source: common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windischer View Post
    Sinister is Latin word for left, its other meanings have been constructed later. Not vice versa, as you say.
    Source: common sense.
    That's a great source. I think you should read this:

    Historically, the left side, and subsequently left-handedness, was considered negative. The word "left" itself derives from the Anglo-Saxon word lyft, "weak".[4] In Ancient Greek both words meaning "left" were euphemisms: the word ἀριστερός, aristerós (the standard word in Modern Greek as well) is derived from ἂριστος, áristos, "best", and the word εὺώνυμος, euōnymos, "of good name", is another euphemism used in lieu of "ill-named". The Latin adjective sinister/sinistra/sinistrum originally meant "left" but took on meanings of "evil" or "unlucky" by the Classical Latin era, and this double meaning survives in European derivatives of Latin, and in the English word "sinister". Alternatively, sinister comes from the Latin word sinus meaning "pocket": a traditional Roman toga had only one pocket, located on the left side. The right hand has historically been associated with skill: the Latin word for right-handed is dexter, as in "dexterity", meaning manual skill. Even the word "ambidexterity" reflects the bias. Its intended meaning is "skillful on both sides". However, since it keeps the Latin root dexter, which means "right", it ends up conveying the idea of being "right-handed on both sides". This bias is also apparent in the lesser-known antonym "ambisinistrous", which means "left-handed [i.e., clumsy] on both sides".[5] In more technical contexts, "sinistral" may be used in place of "left-handed" and "sinistrality" in place of "left-handedness".[6] In both Ancient Greek and Roman religion, auspices (usually the flight paths of birds, as observed by a bird-diviner, or augur) were thought to be unfavorable if appearing on the diviner's left-hand side and favorable if on the right: an ancient custom mentioned in Homer's Iliad and of apparently Middle Eastern origin (as attested in the Amarna correspondence, in which a king of Alashiya, i.e. Cyprus, requests an eagle-diviner from the Pharaoh of Egypt).

    Meanings gradually developed from use of these terms in the ancient languages. In many modern European languages, including English, the word for the direction "right" also means "correct" or "proper", and also stands for authority and justice.

    In Sanskrit, the word "वाम" (waama) stands for both "left" and "wicked."

    In most Slavic languages the root prav (right) is used in words carrying meanings of correctness or justice. In colloquial Russian the word левый (levyĭ) 'left' means unofficial, counterfeit, strange.

    In French, droit(e) (cognate to English direct) means both "right" and "straight", as well as "law" and the legal sense of "right", while gauche means "left" and is also a synonym of maladroit, literally "not right", meaning "clumsy". Spanish, Italian, Portuguese and German have similar constructs. The Spanish term diestro and the Italian term destro mean both "right-handed" and "skillful". The contemporary Italian word sinistra has both meanings of sinister and left (the masculine adjective for sinister being sinistro), and maldestro means "clumsy". The Spanish siniestra has both, too, although the "left" meaning is less common and is usually expressed by izquierda,[7] a Basque word that made its way into Portuguese as well. In some Spanish-speaking countries, to do something por izquierda means to engage in corrupt conduct or employ illegitimate means, whereas por derecha or a derechas means to do it the right (legitimate) way.[8] Also, in Spanish, to tell someone "Eres tan zurdo" means that they are being clumsy, though the literal meaning is "You're so lefty." In Portuguese, the most common word for left-handed person, canhoto, was once used to identify the devil, and canhestro, a related word, means "clumsy".

    In German, recht means "right" (direction) and "right" (correct). The word for "left" is links and closely related to link (being like someone who is back-stabbing or a liar) or linkisch (clumsy). The Dutch word for "left" is the same as in German, with link meaning that something is unwise, inappropriate or dangerous (e.g., it is link to use the same password everywhere).

    In Irish, deas means "right side" and "nice". Ciotóg is the left hand and is related to ciotach meaning "awkward";[9] ciotógach (kyut-OH-goch) is the term for left-handed. In Welsh, the word chwith means "left", but can also mean "strange", "awkward", or "wrong". The Scots term for left-handedness is corrie fistit. The term can be used to convey clumsiness.

    In Finnish, the word oikea means both "right" (okay, correct) and "right" (the opposite of left).

    In Swedish, att göra något med vänsterhanden (literally "to do something with your left hand") means "to do something badly". In Swedish, vänster means "left". The term vänsterprassel means "infidelity", "adultery" and "cheating". From this term the verb vänstra (lit. "lefting") is derived.

    In Hungarian, the word for right is jobb, which also means "better". The word for left is bal, which also means "bad". In Polish, the word prawo means: right as well as law, prawy means: lawful; the word lewy means: left (opposite of right), and colloquial "illegal" (opposite of legal). In Estonian, the word pahem stands for both "left" and "worse" and the word parem stands for both "right" and "better".

    In Turkish, the word for right is sağ, which means "alive". The word for left is sol, which means "discolor", "die", "ill".

    In Chinese culture, the adjective "left" (Chinese character: 左, Mandarin: zuǒ) sometimes means "improper" or "out of accord". For instance, the phrase "left path" (左道, zuǒdao) stands for unorthodox or immoral means.

    In Korean, the word for right is oreun (오른), to be compared to the word meaning morally proper, orheun (옳은) which shares the same pronunciation.[10]

    In Hebrew, as well as in other ancient Semitic and Mesopotamian languages, the term "left" was a symbol of power or custody.[11] The left hand symbolized the power to shame society, and was used as a metaphor for misfortune, natural evil, or punishment from the gods. This metaphor survived ancient culture and was integrated into mainstream Christianity by early Catholic theologians, such as Ambrose of Milan,[12] to modern Protestant theologians, such as Karl Barth,[13] to attribute natural evil to God in explaining God's omnipotence over the universe.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post

    It's not like these "strong, successful individuals", were born that way in the first place. They were given opportunities and a better environment (knowledge-wise) to succeed. That doesn't mean they don't have natural talent (as in genes for intelligence or whatever), but it's not like they're totally magical and above the rest of us mortals either.

    Calling it stealing is merely a point of view. The other point of view, the leftist POV, is that it's sharing, as in sharing within a solid community. You call it stealing because you want every penny for yourself (and that's egotism). But what makes you think it should be acceptable for a person to own 80 billion US dollars? You think Bill Gates hasn't screwed people over with Microsoft and Monsanto? Guess again. It's one thing if they own all that money through selling good products and whatnot, but Monsanto is contributing to the destruction of the biosphere. Anyone who profits from that, is an immoral man in my book.
    The state deals with force. Call it theft or solidarity, the mechanism of tax is the same. Without force there would be total chaos, the Jungle law would apply and Social Darwinism would prevail. What Marxism, or "extremist humanism" has in common with its would-be polar opposite Libertarianism, is that they both are programmes for the advancement of special interest groups. Egalitarian socialist ideologies advance the interests of mediocre people and limit the strong and intelligent from expressing their superior nature. Libertarianism on the other hand allows the strong and self-interested to climb on other people and achieve their own interests with no respect for anything, including the environment and poorer classes, or the common good.

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    So anarchism is not a leftist ideology?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    (...)In Polish, the word prawo means: right as well as law, prawy means: lawful; the word lewy means: left (opposite of right), and colloquial "illegal" (opposite of legal).
    Prawosławie (Orthodox Christianity), prawiczek (a male virgin) ; Prawda (truth) <=> Prawy (lawful, right) -> Prawia - sphere of gods/ higher forms of existence ; Prawnik - lawyer (that's a ) etc...

    Yes, it's very deeply embedded that Right side is the appropriate one, while Left side is the path of the fallen

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    I wonder why there is this hate for the "left", and love for the "right" in Indo-European languages.
    It's the same also in Semitic cultures, as can be seen in the Torah, Bible and Quran, and earlier cultures as well http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...7_0_16755.html

    Wonder what's the reason for this, and what's the source. Simply a dislike for what's different and unique (being left-handed)? I think that's too simplistic, but I don't see any other way to explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    That's a great source. I think you should read this:
    Hand comes first, the attached cultural nuances second. The primary meaning of sinister is left, not shadowy/suspicious/ominous or whatever else.

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