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    Default New I2a-M423 Panel on YSEQ

    All fellow I2a Euro natives, YSEQ has launched a nicely priced (88$!) panel for I2a's who are tested positive or have good predictions for I2a-M423 out there (23andMe "I2a2b" guys!) :

    This is a 2 round panel that pinpoints the terminal SNP below I2-M423. This panel is suggested when you have tested M423+ or if you have a clear prediction for this haplogroup according to your Y-STR results.

    Spoiler: 
    In the first round 4 important SNPs will be tested to find out the main category:
    L161.1
    FGC7126
    CTS10228
    S17250

    In the second round the testing splits up depending on the results from round 1:
    1.) If L161.1-, FGC7126-, CTS10228-, S17250-
    F3145
    CTS10936
    CTS8239 (in place of M423)

    2.) If L161.1+, FGC7126-
    Y13338
    S2639
    A813
    L1498
    A1150

    3.) If L161.1+, FGC7126+
    A1514
    FGC7174
    Y3734
    FGC14457
    FGC7156
    Y5280

    4.) If CTS10228+, S17250-
    Z17855
    S8201
    Y13498
    Y3118
    Y5598
    CTS5779
    Y10622

    5.) If CTS10228+, S17250+
    YP206
    Y3548
    Y4882
    Z16971
    A2423
    A356/Z16983
    Y6651
    Lappa proposed them to remove marker CTS10228 from first round testing and in it's place test for Y4460 and moving it (together with Z17855) to negative result of:

    1) L161.1-
    FGC7126-
    Y4460-
    S17250-

    so the second round would test for:
    F3145, CTS10228, CTS10936, CTS8239, Z17855

    But according to Dr Thomas Krahn:

    Y4460 marker, and SNP Y3106 are positioned into quite instable region, which does make the results for panel testing not well guaranteed for succes.
    Both Y4460 and Y3106 are becouse of that unreliable and its better to skip them in favor of S8201 i Y3118.
    (this marker is in the region of ChrY:23833810..23834816 which is a recombinant hotspot).
    I am going for that panel soon, hope to get the results in 3-4 weeks (! - YSEQ strives to have the results in 2 weeks time), then I will start to shoot single SNPs to go as far as I can within my Y-haplo.

    Here's a nice tree of SNPs as done by Lappa (thanks! - I hope you won't kick my ass for sharing it )



    Here's a call to all I2a-Dins - please use this opportunity to test yourself as we are in great need to map history of our Y-haplo to understand the geographical locations of most common subclades. Another very "old" mutation has been reported in Poland, meaning we are to change I2a-Din into I2a-Pol or I2a-Slavic... whatever...

    http://yfull.com/tree/I-L621/



    As soon as I have my results I will report them in this thread, in the meantime your inputs are more than welcome!
    Last edited by Pioterus; 2015-06-09 at 21:56.
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
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    Samples sent today. The Wait starts now...

    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
    Świat się zmienia, słońce zachodzi, a wódka się kończy [The world is changing, sun is setting and we're running out of Vodka.]
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski

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    Default First results ready!

    The first results are in, in fact they were ready 5 hours ago, but as I am in training now and have to learn at home (and my son does his bet to ruin my attempts at reading with comprehension) I cannot sit down to digest them...

    Spoiler: 
    Marker+ Allele
    CTS10228 C+
    FGC11757 G-
    FGC13565 T-
    FGC15518 A-
    FGC23464 A-
    FGC30571 A-
    FGC3189 A-
    FGC35128 A-
    FGC7126 C-
    L161 C-
    L161.1 C-
    L185 C-
    L551 C-
    L557 C-
    L81 A-
    L83 G-
    M2991 T-
    M8592 C-
    M9999 A-
    PF1200 T-
    S17250 A+
    S185 C-
    S24346 A-
    S24347 C-
    S2703 C-
    S3209 G-
    S394 C-
    S424 A-
    SK944 C-
    Y8393 A-
    YP204 A+
    Z10968 A-
    Z25665 C-
    Z30519 A-
    Z4129 T-
    Z4306 T-
    ZS4681 T-
    ZS5821 A-


    Any hints? Else i need to wait for more spare time

    EDIT:

    OK, If I interpret things correctly it means after first round I land here (I-S17250 FGC30453/YP205 * V3022/ YP204/S17250 formed 2300 ybp, TMRCA 2100 ybp):



    So in the next round the following markers will be tested:

    5.) If CTS10228+, S17250+
    YP206
    Y3548
    Y4882
    Z16971
    A2423
    A356/Z16983
    Y6651
    Last edited by Pioterus; 2015-06-24 at 21:56.
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
    Świat się zmienia, słońce zachodzi, a wódka się kończy [The world is changing, sun is setting and we're running out of Vodka.]
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski

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    OK, so far I land into I2a1b2a1a

    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
    Świat się zmienia, słońce zachodzi, a wódka się kończy [The world is changing, sun is setting and we're running out of Vodka.]
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski

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    OK, next step down the "Eastern Slavic(?)" node confirmed ->
    Y3548+
    Z16971+ -> I2a1b2a1a1

    Waiting for result of final subclade/ marker available for me in this panel -> A2423



    YSEQ is superfast!
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
    Świat się zmienia, słońce zachodzi, a wódka się kończy [The world is changing, sun is setting and we're running out of Vodka.]
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    I have only this, according to this table it seems oldest I2a1(b)s (!) to date are from Mesolithic Motala HGs:

    Last edited by Pioterus; 2015-06-29 at 19:37.
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    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
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    Default Panel is completed

    OK, so for me the Panel got the best possible bang for buck as I cascaded down-clade as deep as possible, within markers included in it:



    Note that it took ca 4 weeks since I actually ordered the kit, to have all results in, competition is a bliss.

    Now it's time to start a research on what is already known about geography of this kiddo I2a-A2423+
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
    Świat się zmienia, słońce zachodzi, a wódka się kończy [The world is changing, sun is setting and we're running out of Vodka.]
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski

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    OK, just to compliment with MagiQ's map [thread], my clade is the blue one. I added my "ancestral" position

    Last edited by Pioterus; 2015-10-22 at 13:34.
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
    “I go my own way. But you, you had never, until just now, looked behind you. You turned back today for the first time.”
    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski
    Świat się zmienia, słońce zachodzi, a wódka się kończy [The world is changing, sun is setting and we're running out of Vodka.]
    ― Andrzej Sapkowski

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    Im 12a1a. Im gonna do this test.

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