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    ^Masaai don't have R1b....their admixture comes from Cushites who are high in E1b1b/T-M70 lineages.Chadics of the Sahel/West Africa have R1b tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomaliSuldaan View Post
    ^Masaai don't have R1b....their admixture comes from Cushites who are high in E1b1b/T-M70 lineages.Chadics of the Sahel/West Africa have R1b tho
    Not to long ago R1b was originating from Africa
    Here is a picture of proposed migration posted from the Lioness
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    EgyptSearch Forums: The ancestors of Western Europeans are from Cameroon and Chad
    Even poster xyyman finds this an interesting read!
    Now getting back to R1

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    So if R1 the dominant paternal lineage of Western Europe originates in Africa then the Europeans are more African than the berbers becuase look at the low frquencies of R in the above chart for berbers, too low to even produce a number in some cases. So the Cameroonians and Chadians went right through and past North Africa and establised early Europe

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    ^ I don't know anything about R1B other than the fact that it is completely absent in the Horn and those who received admixture from the Horn like the Maasai completely lack it aswell.So I don't why you are quoting me the Afro-centric view of how R1B arrived in W.Africa or originated in their view lol.


    I'm also not familiar with Chadics either....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomaliSuldaan View Post
    ^ I don't know anything about R1B other than the fact that it is completely absent in the Horn and those who received admixture from the Horn like the Maasai completely lack it aswell.So I don't why you are quoting me the Afro-centric view of how R1B arrived in W.Africa or originated in their view lol.


    I'm also not familiar with Chadics either....
    What about Horner- Hausa tribe from-Sudan R1b or Horner Arab tribes R1b-V88
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...aharan_Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    What about Horner- Hausa tribe from-Sudan R1b or Horner Arab tribes R1b-V88
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...aharan_Africa
    Hausas are not Horners smh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomaliSuldaan View Post
    ^Masaai don't have R1b....their admixture comes from Cushites who are high in E1b1b/T-M70 lineages.Chadics of the Sahel/West Africa have R1b tho
    I was sure I read it somewhere and I googled it to show you but I can't find Maasai with R1b V-88, so thank you for correcting me.
    I checked wikipedia and found there is a lot of R1b V-88 in Cameroon. (I thought the Maasai were a tribe in Cameroon.)
    Y-DNA haplogroups in populations of Sub-Saharan Africa - Wikipedia
    It's at 95% for a group of people called Ouldeme. I never heard of them before. I know very little about Africa.

    I think it's a huge discovery finding R1b V-88 in Balkan Mesolithic foragers. I wonder what the story is of how their genes/Y-DNA made it all the way to Cameroon from the Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    That's what it looks like.

    R1b-V88 has now been found in Balkan Mesolithic foragers. So that's a really deep split in the R1b phylogeny based on data from indigenous hunter-gatherers, who are unlikely to have migrated to the Balkans recently.

    This hasn't been talked about much yet, but obviously what it also suggests is that African R1b-V88 has its origins in Southeastern Europe, not the Near East, as once proposed.
    It's very cool stuff, and it makes sense given that R1b-V88 found its way into sub-Saharan Africa. If so, R1b must have entered Africa through Spain, which again, R1b has been found there in the Neolithic. However, I'm not sure this necessarily means that R1 mutated into R1b in the Balkans, and then somehow found its way back to Ukraine. I mean chances are it all happened in Ukraine and then some R1b colonists wandered off into Balkans and then Iberia and then south from there. Nonetheless, however it went down, what all this means is that R1b expanded earlier and before the major Indo-European migrations of the Corded Ware / Bell Beaker colonialism. And it seems like R1b-V88 and other early R1b clades, did not succeed in any language shift when they didn't have horses and wheels (apparently a major advantage for language dominance, that early R1b clades lacked).

    By the way, why are we discussing R1b in this thread? Is R1b important to this study?
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    It's very cool stuff, and it makes sense given that R1b-V88 found its way into sub-Saharan Africa. If so, R1b must have entered Africa through Spain, which again, R1b has been found there in the Neolithic.
    Did Chadic languages also enter SSA though Spain? Or have you finally tossed out the whole V-88 being the originators of AA theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    That's what it looks like.

    R1b-V88 has now been found in Balkan Mesolithic foragers. So that's a really deep split in the R1b phylogeny based on data from indigenous hunter-gatherers, who are unlikely to have migrated to the Balkans recently.

    This hasn't been talked about much yet, but obviously what it also suggests is that African R1b-V88 has its origins in Southeastern Europe, not the Near East, as once proposed.

    Evidence? The Balkans has haplogroup E which arrive from Africa into the Balkans via the Near East. R1b-V88 people don't have any R1a nor any haplogroup I which is also in the Balkans nor any V-13, now try to sort that out with your suggestion African R1-V88 came from Southeast Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Did Chadic languages also enter SSA though Spain? Or have you finally tossed out the whole V-88 being the originators of AA theory?
    lol, I'm not Dienekes to be dogmatic about stuff like this. R1b clearly wasn't instrumental in spreading Afro-Asiatic languages (although, if we go by Vennerman's hypothesis, it's a possibility I guess).
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