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    Quote Originally Posted by ep2 View Post
    You got it all wrong. The population which was already in Egypt, this is the population which came from the South (and eventually from the Green Sahara). They are all related African populations. You can see it from figure A to D.

    - From Climate-Controlled Holocene Occupation in the Sahara: Motor of Africa’s Evolution

    Of course, there was population movements since the OOA migrations from within the same region. Often a back and forth movements related to climate changes.
    All those dots are not the same people. Some represent the ancestors of nilotes, saharans, Berbers, Egyptians, Horners and west Asians all together. Everything in that region points to heterogeneity. DNA tribes you spam points to heterogeneity.

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    And when "non-African" ancestry is unmasked, Northern Europeans (CEU) show closer shared ancestry with the Egyptians (.008) than do the Yoruba (.025).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhagneto View Post
    And when "non-African" ancestry is unmasked, Northern Europeans (CEU) show closer shared ancestry with the Egyptians (.008) than do the Yoruba (.025).
    Yes, modern Egyptians are Eurasian. They are 80% Eurasian and 20% African. The blackflow of Eurasian populations into modern Egypt is dated to a average of 750 years ago. Modern Egyptians are mostly affiliated with people from the Middle East from the time of the Islamic expansion (see page 2 (p.987) in the study).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ep2 View Post
    Yes, modern Egyptians are Eurasian. They are 80% Eurasian and 20% African. The blackflow of Eurasian populations into modern Egypt is dated to a median of 750 years ago. Modern Egyptians are mostly affiliated with people from the Middle East from the time of the Islamic expansion (see page 2 (p.987) in the study).
    Then apply this to Sudan: Nubians, Arabized Nubians and Beja people are Eurasian too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    Then apply this to Sudan: Nubians, Arabized Nubians and Beja people are Eurasian too.
    ???

    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep2 View Post
    Yes, modern Egyptians are Eurasian. They are 80% Eurasian and 20% African. The blackflow of Eurasian populations into modern Egypt is dated to a average of 750 years ago. Modern Egyptians are mostly affiliated with people from the Middle East from the time of the Islamic expansion (see page 2 (p.987) in the study).
    No. The authors of this paper cited the Henn study, which states that 750 yrs ago black nilo-saharans, not Eurasians, were brought into Egypt ( through the slave trade trade). Read Henn.

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    Henn:

    North African populations are distinct from sub-Saharan Africans based on cultural, linguistic, and phenotypic attributes; however, the time and the extent of genetic divergence between populations north and south of the Sahara remain poorly understood. Here, we interrogate the multilayered history of North Africa by characterizing the effect of hypothesized migrations from the Near East, Europe, and sub-Saharan Africa on current genetic diversity. We present dense, genome-wide SNP genotyping array data (730,000 sites) from seven North African populations, spanning from Egypt to Morocco, and one Spanish population. We identify a gradient of likely autochthonous Maghrebi ancestry that increases from east to west across northern Africa; this ancestry is likely derived from “back-to-Africa” gene flow more than 12,000 years ago (ya), prior to the Holocene. The indigenous North African ancestry is more frequent in populations with historical Berber ethnicity. In most North African populations we also see substantial shared ancestry with the Near East, and to a lesser extent sub-Saharan Africa and Europe. To estimate the time of migration from sub-Saharan populations into North Africa, we implement a maximum likelihood dating method based on the distribution of migrant tracts. In order to first identify migrant tracts, we assign local ancestry to haplotypes using a novel, principal component-based analysis of three ancestral populations. We estimate that a migration of western African origin into Morocco began about 40 generations ago (approximately 1,200 ya); a migration of individuals with Nilotic ancestry into Egypt occurred about 25 generations ago (approximately 750 ya). Our genomic data reveal an extraordinarily complex history of migrations, involving at least five ancestral populations, into North Africa.

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    You're mistaken, it's the non-African ancestry in modern Egyptians which is dated to around 750 years ago.


    we estimated the average proportion
    of non-African ancestry in the Egyptians to be 80%
    and dated the midpoint of the admixture event by using
    ALDER20 to around 750 years ago, consistent
    with the Islamic expansion
    - From: Tracing the Route of Modern Humans out of Africa by Using 225 Human Genome Sequences from Ethiopians and Egyptians (2015)

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    I think it was the Yoruba or some group in that neck of the woods who have some folklore about being descended, or the first king of their people coming from, ancient Egypt. I don't remember.

    The race of the ancient Egyptians is not an issue for me and it's a waste of time arguing about it because even if they were black, they probably did not see themselves as black, or if they were white, they would not have seen themselves as white because those constructs of race did not exist back then (so I call bullshit on the KMT claims being "proof" that they were black, KMT was referring to the colour of the dirt not the colour of their skin).

    Plus genetics tests done on mummies have shown diverse ancestry. Ramses had a sub-Sahara African haplogroup, actually the same one as Nelson Mandela. Tutankhamen had a European one. There's folklore in some European cultures of an Egyptian connection as well. Egypt had many dynasties and kingdoms so I think both the "black" camp and the "white" camp are probably right. They were a powerful civilization on a major trade route, they probably absorbed, and influenced, a lot of people.
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    In genetic studies Yoruba are often used as a proxy for Niger-Kordofanian speakers in general. It's quite possible, for example, that Wolof people, who are also Niger-Kordofanian speakers, would be closer to the OOA migrants than the Yoruba if they would have been included in this whole genome study. I don't think any people can have a precise tradition which goes so far back in time. I think the most recent common ancestors between Ancient Egyptians and West Africans are much more remote than during the Ancient Egyptian state time. Probably before 10 000 years ago (although well after the OOA migrations).

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    Tutankhamen had a European one.
    Tutankhamun's haplogroup was never determined. This was a false internet rumor. DNA Tribes place his autosomal STR profile (limited to 8 locus iirc) mostly among Great Lakes, Southern and West African populations as mentioned above.

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