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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious_African View Post
    Here's my DNA Results on HarrapaWorld. I'm Kenyan Kikuyu

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 E-African 41.9
    2 W-African 38.96
    3 Pygmy 6.48
    4 SW-Asian 5.88
    5 San 3.04
    6 Caucasian 1.27
    7 Mediterranean 1.26
    8 Papuan 0.94
    9 SE-Asian 0.26

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 hema (xing) 2.71
    2 alur (xing) 15.31
    3 bulala (henn2012) 15.85
    4 luhya (1000genomes) 26.24
    5 sandawe (henn2011) 26.46
    6 luhya (hapmap) 26.79
    7 bantukenya (hgdp) 27.71
    8 mada (henn2012) 30.12
    9 maasai (hapmap) 38.72
    10 siddi (reich) 39.38
    11 hadza (henn2011) 39.77
    12 fulani (henn2012) 41.03
    13 maasai (1000genomes) 42.87
    14 somali (reich) 45.42
    15 dominican (bryc) 46.89
    16 xhosa (henn2012) 48.28
    17 oromo (pagani) 48.45
    18 nguni (xing) 48.48
    19 wolayta (pagani) 48.59
    20 sudanese (pagani) 48.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.6% hema (xing) + 5.4% luhya (1000genomes) @ 2.26
    2 95.4% hema (xing) + 4.6% mada (henn2012) @ 2.3
    3 91.4% hema (xing) + 8.6% alur (xing) @ 2.3
    4 95.2% hema (xing) + 4.8% bantukenya (hgdp) @ 2.31
    5 97.7% hema (xing) + 2.3% kaba (henn2012) @ 2.43
    6 93% hema (xing) + 7% bulala (henn2012) @ 2.44
    7 98.2% hema (xing) + 1.8% kongo (henn2012) @ 2.46
    8 98.1% hema (xing) + 1.9% fang (henn2012) @ 2.47
    9 98.3% hema (xing) + 1.7% bamoun (henn2012) @ 2.47
    10 98.4% hema (xing) + 1.6% hausa (henn2012) @ 2.47
    11 98.6% hema (xing) + 1.4% yoruba (1000genomes) @ 2.48
    12 98.5% hema (xing) + 1.5% bambaran (xing) @ 2.48
    13 98.5% hema (xing) + 1.5% igbo (henn2012) @ 2.48
    14 98.5% hema (xing) + 1.5% brong (henn2012) @ 2.49
    15 98.5% hema (xing) + 1.5% dogon (xing) @ 2.49
    16 98.4% hema (xing) + 1.6% mandenka (hgdp) @ 2.49
    17 98.4% hema (xing) + 1.6% african-caribbean (1000genomes) @ 2.49
    18 98.2% hema (xing) + 1.8% african-american (1000genomes) @ 2.52
    19 98.4% hema (xing) + 1.6% bantusouthafrica (hgdp) @ 2.57
    20 98.3% hema (xing) + 1.7% pedi (xing) @ 2.57
    Nice results! However this thread is for Rwandans not Kenyan Kikuyus (or any oher ethnic group).
    You should use the other GEDmatch programs like Eurogenes 36K to get a better breakdown of your genetic profile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious_African View Post
    I'm surprised by the closeness of my results with gihanga_rwanda as well as the high prevalence/correlation with Hema people.
    More than likely due to the lack samples from Kenyan, Uganda and Tanzania ethnic groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious_African View Post
    My Paternal haplotype is E-M5021/E1b1b2 which suggests a North African origin while Maternal origin is L3d1b which is West African.
    Interesting. You Y-DNA is more than likely Cushitic in origin while your Mt-DNA is certainly 'Bantu'. The opposite of most Kikuyu (and other Cushitic admixed Bantu ethnics in Kenya and Tanzania).
    Last edited by Iron Hand; 2017-10-06 at 00:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    Nice results! However this thread is for Rwandans not Kenyan Kikuyus (or any oher ethnic group).
    You should use the other GEDmatch programs like Eurogenes 36K to get a better breakdown of your genetic profile.


    More than likely due to the lack samples from Kenyan, Uganda and Tanzania ethnic groups.


    Interesting. You Y-DNA is more than likely Cushitic in origin while your Mt-DNA is certainly 'Bantu'. The opposite of most Kikuyu (and other Cushitic admixed Bantu ethnics in Kenya and Tanzania).
    I posted this here because this is probably the closest DNA match I have seen so far with my results and it adds interesting questions.

    The Hema and Kikuyu DNA profiles cluster close to each other which brings up a lot of questions because these tribes are far away from each other geographically, one in Kenya and the other in DRC and Rwanda area.

    My biggest problem with DNA right now is that it only gives you a Paternal & Maternal Haplotype which overly simplifies what could be a very interesting and complex history of a person.

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    @Curious_African Thanks for sharing.
    I have been thinking of getting tested soon.
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    For those who are interested, we now have an ancient DNA sample from a female who lived 3100 years ago in Tanzania, in a culture associated with the earliest South Cushites in the region. Her GEDmatch ID is Z626350. She already shows some of the East African HG admixture found in modern South Cushites, but absent in other Cushites.

    Using this sample as representative of proto-South Cushites, it looks like Tutsi can be modeled as 50-60% South Cushitic. Curious African (Kikuyu) looks about 25% South Cushitic, but we know from academic studies that Kikuyus also have significant Nilotic ancestry, so the total figure of non-Bantu ancestry is certainly higher.

    Of course, this may be a relatively "unmixed", early South Cushite. Even the Iraqw may be closer to 80% than 100% South Cushitic using this sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    For those who are interested, we now have an ancient DNA sample from a female who lived 3100 years ago in Tanzania, in a culture associated with the earliest South Cushites in the region. Her GEDmatch ID is Z626350. She already shows some of the East African HG admixture found in modern South Cushites, but absent in other Cushites.
    Fascinating. I'm not suprised by the East African HG admixture found in the sample. They (South Cushites) have been in Kenya and Tanzania for about 6000 years. In fact I'd say the Hadza and Sandawe are the remnants of this distinct East African Hunter Gatherer population.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    Using this sample as representative of proto-South Cushites, it looks like Tutsi can be modeled as 50-60% South Cushitic. Curious African (Kikuyu) looks about 25% South Cushitic, but we know from academic studies that Kikuyus also have significant Nilotic ancestry, so the total figure of non-Bantu ancestry is certainly higher.
    We defo need more DNA samples and tests from Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi,Tanzania and Kenya to get a clearer picture about the Tutsis. Still 50% South Cushitic sounds reasonable. 30-40% Bantu and 10-20% Nilotic for the rest. IMO

    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    Of course, this may be a relatively "unmixed", early South Cushite. Even the Iraqw may be closer to 80% than 100% South Cushitic using this sample.
    I don't know about that. The Iraqw do seem to have significant Y-DNA E-M2. I'll repeat - We defo need more DNA samples and tests from Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi,Tanzania and Kenya to get a clearer picture.
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    I do not remember the study of the Tanzanian Pastoral who lived 3100 years ago hinting at any of that. I don't know what study yall read.
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    Here's an interesting comparison.

    Tanzanian pastoralist:

    Middle Eastern Herder 23.95
    East African Pastoralist: 55.61
    Mediterranean Farmer: 6.92
    Pygmy Hunter Gatherer: 7.59
    Bantu Farmer: 4.19

    The "pygmy" and "Bantu" components are probably indicative of gene-flow from an ancestral East African hunter-gatherer population into the ancestors of this ancient Tanzanian pastoralist.

    Myself (3/4 Tutsi; 1/4 Hutu)

    Middle Eastern Herder 9.11
    East African Pastoralist 44.87
    Mediterranean Farmer 1.21
    Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 6.60
    Bantu Farmer 37.80

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    Fascinating. I'm not suprised by the East African HG admixture found in the sample. They (South Cushites) have been in Kenya and Tanzania for about 6000 years. In fact I'd say the Hadza and Sandawe are the remnants of this distinct East African Hunter Gatherer population.


    We defo need more DNA samples and tests from Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi,Tanzania and Kenya to get a clearer picture about the Tutsis. Still 50% South Cushitic sounds reasonable. 30-40% Bantu and 10-20% Nilotic for the rest. IMO


    I don't know about that. The Iraqw do seem to have significant Y-DNA E-M2. I'll repeat - We defo need more DNA samples and tests from Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi,Tanzania and Kenya to get a clearer picture.
    Hi guys, while I don't usually like talking about Tutsi/Hutu due to the sensitive nature of it, I describe myself as Tutsi/Hima from Rwanda. I am looking to do my genetic test and I am doing rsee arch before I take the test. I have been following this thread for last few weeks, but I don't understand why you guys keep using bantu admixture. "Bantu" is probably not any real cluster. Some Luhya samples and Tutsi(who are Bantu but East African) clustered distinctly from West Africans. Calling Tutsi 30-40% so called bantus admixture is little high due to the facts Massai and Somali are being used as east Africans comparison. This make Tutsi, who I believe may have other type of nilo-saharian components that may be more ancient and non existent in Massai making Tutsi score less nilotic than they should. I know based on own oral history of my people, Tutsi/Hima have mixed with Luo/Alur from South Sudan/Uganda before they moved down to Rwanda from North west Uganda close to South Sudan border and not far from Lake Albert where live also similar tribe like Alur/Hema in RDC(Rwanda royal family called Ibimanuka meaning those who descended from the North). Due to the fact that Alur/Luo are less participant in these studies(lack of Uganda samples) or Luo/Alur non being used as east African comparison instead of the massai, this gives pastoral group like Tutsi/Hima high west African score. I saw 2 samples of Tutsi on 23andme who score close to 93% east African. Majority of south cushitic Iraqw are so mixed with datooga/massai/north Tanzania bantu that It is safe to say that they are probably 65-70% south cushite not 80% compared to the less admixted sample.

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    @Gihanga_Rwanda I like the Gihanga name. Nice to see a fellow Rwanda. My father is from Abanyiginya clan and my paternal grand-mother has some Abataaga clan (Burundi Royal family)My mother is a mixed of Abashambo-Abahinda clan (Hima). I am looking to take a test and even thinking of enrolling some dozen of Tutsi from Rwanda/Burundi to test. And I was wondering which company is the best: Ancestry.com or 23andme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat11 View Post
    @Gihanga_Rwanda I like the Gihanga name. Nice to see a fellow Rwanda. My father is from Abanyiginya clan and my paternal grand-mother has some Abataaga clan (Burundi Royal family)My mother is a mixed of Abashambo-Abahinda clan (Hima). I am looking to take a test and even thinking of enrolling some dozen of Tutsi from Rwanda/Burundi to test. And I was wondering which company is the best: Ancestry.com or 23andme?
    Hey there! It's great to make your acquaintance, always great to meet fellow Rwandans on these sorts of forums. I'd definitely recommend 23andme, let me know once you've received your results, they should be interesting since you descend in part from royal lineages.

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