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Thread: Genetic Heritage of the Balto-Slavic Speaking Populations (Kushniarevich, 2015)812 days old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post

    Rugevit is right that Belarusians cluster with each other and with Russians from Smolensk:
    In short , Russians of Smolensk are Belarusians. In 1918 Smolensk was considered as capital of Beylorussian Soviet Rupublic. In books on Belarusian ethnography 'Smolyans' (we call Russians of Smolensk) always feature. In books on Belarusian dialects - dialects of Smolensk also feature.


    Belarus (White Ruthenia) got its name from what is present day Viecebsk, north Mahilou and western Smolensk districts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    Yes, a lot of strange things there. The relations between Slavic and Baltic languages are the most contentious issues in linguistics:



    “THE SLAVIC LANGUAGES” ROLAND SUSSEX PAUL CUBBERLEY Cambridge University Press 2006 page 22

    But putting aside Balto-Slavic controversy the history of languages presented by them is very strange:



    As far as I know Lithuanian and Latvian literary languages were created about 100 years ago.



    http://www.amazon.com/Standardizatio.../dp/9122001093



    The same was in Lithuania, many different dialects. Moreover Latvian was strongly influenced by German and Lithuanian by Polish. But about 100 years ago these languages were cleaned of foreign influences and various dialects were unified. The reforms were so deep that for example Lithuanians who migrated to US before the language reform couldn’t understand Lithuanians who learned their language at school after reform. So literary Latvian and Lithuanian languages have 100 and not more than 2000 years as in Kushniarevich’s paper.
    I thank you for that first chart of linguistic groupings.

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    Any comments on Satem & Centum?

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    Why do Bronze Age guys from Northeast Germany (Mecklenburg-Vorpommern) share so much of genetic drift with modern Poles?: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=1#post1322264

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    So we have two groups of Northern Slavs - one more connected to Balts:



    ... and one more connected to Germans:



    Are historical developments responsible for this divergence, or prehistoric-substrates - Baltic in the North-East:










    ... and (Celto-)(East-)Germanic in the South-West:






    ?

    It seems that this divergence (Baltic vs Celto-Germanic substrate?) was present already long time ago:


    RISE568 (Early Czech Slav):



    RISE569 (Early Czech Slav):





    Are there any substrate(adstrate? superstate?)-less Slavs?

    Could we link the presence of R1b as a sign of Celtic/West Germanic influence? I1 as a sign of North/East Germanic influence? N1c/R1a1x458 as sign of Baltic influence?
    For comparison Eurogenes PCA with Bronze Age Tollense battle samples and Early Medieval Slav from Bohemia:


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    Figure 1. PCA plot of Slavic speaking populations based on mtDNA haplogroup frequencies. The variance of the first and second principal components (F1 and F2, respectively) is given in brackets. ―West, ―East and ―South Slavic speaking populations.


    Figure 2. PCA plot of Slavic speaking populations carried out on Y-chromosome haplogroup frequencies. The variance retained by the first and second principal components (F1 and F2, respectively) is shown in brackets. ―West, ―East and ―South Slavic speaking populations.


    Figure 3. PCA plot of European populations based on mtDNA haplogroup frequencies. The variance captured by the first and second principal components (F1 and F2, respectively) is written in brackets. NE―northeast, NW―northwest, ―West, ―East Slavic, ―South Slavic, ―non-Slavic populations.


    Figure 4. Map of Principal Component Analysis of European populations based on their Y-chromosome haplogroup frequencies. Variance explained by the first and second principal components (F1 and F2, respectively) is shown in brackets. ―West, ―East, ―South Slavic speaking, ―non-Slavic populations.


    "The Uniparental Genetic Landscape of Modern Slavic Speaking Populations", Sena Karachanak-Yankova et a.l

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