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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    The Siwa sample is an anomaly for now because its genetic profile is very unlike Berbers/NW Africans. Based on paternal lineages it's also an anomaly in the whole North Africa because of the very high R1b-V88, B... and moderate E-M2 haplogroups.*
    Well Egypt is genetically different from the rest of North Africa. I don't see any reason why Siwa Berbers shouldn't be any different from other Berbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    Some E-M2 might be native to North Africa but when other typical Subsaharan haplogroups are present in high proportion in the same population, it's a hint it's not native.
    That depends on where and what population in North Africa. I see no reason to think that the high amount of Y-DNA B amongst Siwa Berbers is anything but "native".

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    That's what we find in the recent study on Algeria, with the "Zenata" population having 23% E-M2 but also 65% mtdna L; autosomally, this population is highly heterogeneous and clearly an outlier.
    Now that clearly is an outlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    Also, I don't know Siwa very well but from what I've seen, it looks like the population is heterogeneous based on how they look.
    That really doesn't mean anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep2 View Post
    More ancient DNA would be welcome. We already have some autosomal DNA of Ancient Egyptian mummies in those 2 studies (18th and 20th dynasty):
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....ticleid=185393
    http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268

    In the BMJ study Ramses III was determined to be E1b1a. Combined together it makes 9 Ancient Egyptian specimen (Thuya, Yuya, KV35EL, Amenhotep III, KV55, KV35YL, King Tut, Ramass III and The Screaming Mummy)
    What were the haplogroups of Thuya, Yuya, KV35EL, Amenhotep III, KV55, KV35YL, King Tut, Ramass III and The Screaming Mummy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertrose View Post
    What were the haplogroups of Thuya, Yuya, KV35EL, Amenhotep III, KV55, KV35YL, King Tut, Ramass III and The Screaming Mummy?
    All there is Ramass III and The Screaming Mummy. Well there is actually a bunch of old stuff but its all somewhat vague, very low resolution. Not sure if it was you but I corresponded with another Copt Woman that has a maternal lineage that was found in ancient Western Desert remains. I think she was Haplogroup J/T derived, i forget which..

    The 18th Dynasty stuff MAY........I repeat MAY be released at the end of the year in a book published by Hawass along with a publication. Last year Hawass pulled a bait and switch in this book and the data included was the published JAMA stuff with no added value. The book hinted on future publication of 18th dynasty mtdna. Early 2014 I reached out to someone that works with Hawass and told it would be published soon. They have the data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Early 2014 I reached out to someone that works with Hawass and told it would be published soon. They have the data.
    Wow, I hope this is true. Data from the region feels too overdue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    I think at the very least people should find a scenario that fits with the evidence, not look for alternatives.
    That's the issue, there's no evidence he was E-M2, or I wouldn't have any problem with it.

    Excluding that single allele, the predictor gives a 99% probability for E-M35. Since the allele is not found in European M35, the Eurocentric haplogroup predictor gives an E-M2 result. It is however found in North African M35 samples, which are very relevant to use as references, unless you think Egyptian M35 lineages are derived from Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lol_Race View Post
    That's the issue, there's no evidence he was E-M2, or I wouldn't have any problem with it.

    Excluding that single allele, the predictor gives a 99% probability for E-M35. Since the allele is not found in European M35, the Eurocentric haplogroup predictor gives an E-M2 result. It is however found in North African M35 samples, which are very relevant to use as references, unless you think Egyptian M35 lineages are derived from Europe.
    No evidence other than the STR results......
    Are the North African E-M35 samples incorrectly predicted as E1b1a?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    All there is Ramass III and The Screaming Mummy. Well there is actually a bunch of old stuff but its all somewhat vague, very low resolution. Not sure if it was you but I corresponded with another Copt Woman that has a maternal lineage that was found in ancient Western Desert remains. I think she was Haplogroup J/T derived, i forget which..

    The 18th Dynasty stuff MAY........I repeat MAY be released at the end of the year in a book published by Hawass along with a publication. Last year Hawass pulled a bait and switch in this book and the data included was the published JAMA stuff with no added value. The book hinted on future publication of 18th dynasty mtdna. Early 2014 I reached out to someone that works with Hawass and told it would be published soon. They have the data.
    My mtdna is T2b...what are the origins of that maternal lineage? Isn't it from the northern mesopotamian region?

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    ^ Yep, I corresponding with you.
    I think its pretty old in the Western Desert.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19425100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukonin View Post
    Are you Egyptian? Probably not, then it's not your history.
    No I am not "Egyptian". "Egypt" is the name imposed on the ancient civilization known as "Kemet" by invaders. If you are referring to the ancient civilization known as Kemet however then you are incorrect in regards to that not being my history.



    In regards to people trying to claim that people from the "Tamahu" ("created white people") had something to do with maintaining ancient Kemet they are full of s***t.
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    Sheet or shit?

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