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    Quote Originally Posted by An Shigao View Post
    “Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical needs of countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value.”

    ― Arthur Schopenhauer

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    Schopenhauer's criticisms of the Koran are very good.
    Schopenhauer made a salient point there. I think the only idea of value in Islam, is its totalitarian ban on alcohol. In a sane society, we wouldn't need to outlaw alcohol, because everyone would have high enough IQ and common sense to disregard alcohol by their own free will, but anyway, Islam's ban on alcohol is basically its only good idea. Islam also bans pork, but not for vegan reasons, so while I support Muslims on the pork issue, they're doing it for the wrong reason: all meat and dairy should be banned too.

    That said, Islam is the third world religion par excellence; Islam is the religion by, for and of the untermenschen.

    In general, people who start religions and ideologies are a serious problem. People are really gullible with very little independent thought and will follow any stupid bullshit, and this will eventually lead to all sorts of world problems like wars, famine, genocide and general backwardness. Islam is not unique in that regard, but it's unbelievable that humanity hasn't dealt with and gotten rid of Islam once and for all. With Communism at least, there were good nuclear reasons not to invade Russia and slap some common sense into the Ruskies, but Islam has been around for 1,400 years now.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    With Communism at least, there were good nuclear reasons not to invade Russia and slap some common sense into the Ruskies, but Islam has been around for 1,400 years now.
    Everything you've said have been good points, EliasAlucard. I really think you do a good job exposing the brutality and insanity of Islam.

    I will end on one note: I do remain somewhat confident that Islam will fall out of favor in Iran. Many of the youth are fed up with it, and a lot of diaspora are educated about the brutal history of Islam in Iran. The Koran, itself, also lacks both artistic and visionary quality, as we've both pointed out. I will say that the Bible is much, much better than the Koran, though I tend to prefer Gnostic texts like the Gospel of Thomas, which I consider aligned with the Dharma. I also tend to like the beliefs of Mandaeans a lot, moreso than Catholics or Protestants.

    I think religions like Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, and Christianity will grow in Iran, though it will probably be entirely irreligious for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer View Post
    Islam is perhaps the most misrepresented religion. I say this as an atheist. What Western media shows us is a caricaturized version of Islam. Sure, there are those who favor the hardline, fundamentalist interpretation of Islam, but that should not be used to discredit all Muslims.
    Look at these people:



    They are normal Muslims, who didn't "misrepresented religion", but in fact took the iconoclastic nature of Islam very seriously. They are just very consequent. In this video, they mention the destruction of the giant Buddha statues of Afghanistan through the Taliban, but the destruction actually began much earlier:
    In 1221, with the advent of Genghis Khan, "a terrible disaster befell Bamiyan." Nevertheless, the statues were spared. Babur wrote in September 1528, that he ordered both be destroyed. Later, the Mughal emperor, Aurangzeb, tried to use heavy artillery to destroy the statues. Another attempt to destroy the Bamiyan statues was made by the 18th century Persian king Nader Afshar, directing cannon fire at them.

    The enormous statues, the male Salsal ("light shines through the universe") and the (smaller) female Shamama ("Queen Mother"), as they were called by the locals, did not fail to fire the imagination of Islamic writers in centuries past. The larger statue reappears as the malevolent giant Salsal in medieval Turkish tales.

    Afghan king Abdur Rahman Khan destroyed its face during a military campaign against the Shia Hazara rebellion. A Frenchman named Dureau had photographed it in 1847.

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    I'm afraid this post is too anecdotal and one-sided. There are no facts or persuasive statements here. I cannot argue against well-entrenched biases/opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer View Post
    I'm afraid this post is too anecdotal and one-sided. There are no facts or persuasive statements here. I cannot argue against well-entrenched biases/opinions
    It's not "biases and opinions"; it's facts. Of course you can't argue against facts, but take a look at your previous post, and analyze your thinking from an objective point of view for a change. For the sake of credibility, you present yourself as an "atheist", as if that would somehow make you more objective when you say not all Muslims are bad and so on. The dominant form of atheism, is secular humanism. You know, the Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins crowd. These atheists are totally pro-Muslim (or pro-brown people). While they do present themselves as "Islamophobes", they're totally pro-Muslim. Their only problem with Islam is the fact that Islam makes multiculturalism difficult, and they want more multiculturalism, just with less friction. Aside from secular humanism, liberalism is basically a mandatory component among modern atheists, and humanism + liberalism = open borders to Muslim countries. So that's why it's always atheists arguing favorably of Islam and Muslims.

    Anyway, true Muslims are basically ISIS, the Taliban, Al-Qaida and similar "hardliners". Then there's of course the average or random Muhammed and Ahmed on the street, who aren't particularly passionate about Islam, but sympathize with the Jihadists and so on. Mainstream thinkers (especially leftist atheists; it doesn't get more mainstream thinking than that) are pushing this secular humanist lie that only "good Muslims", i.e., Muslims who don't kill non-Muslims, who aren't terrorists and so on, are the true Muslims. This is because leftists want Islam to be something good, which Islam never has been, ever. So in order to continue shoving down Islam and Muslims down our throats, we've been fed with this daily propaganda about "not all Muslims are terrorists", "moderate Muslims", "hijacked Islam", "freedom fighters" and similar stupid bullshit for years now, YEARS. And of course the standard lie about how ISIS are misinterpreting the Quran/Islam, how ISIS has nothing to do with Islam and similar nonsense.

    It's really annoying, especially given the undeniable fact that this sort of pro-Islamic apologetic rhetoric, is only helping Muslims kill Christians and destroy any and all pre-Islamic cultural heritage of the Near East. Had the pyramids not been that big, Muslims would have destroyed them a long time ago. Nowadays Muslims have bombs, so they will probably destroy the pyramids sooner or later, all thanks to people like you and your ISIS aren't Muslims
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    islam is not the way it is portrayed . real islam is different from what many people think of it .

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