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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    Ashkenazi and R1a-z93 connection may have come from Khazars. It's well accepted that Khazars of the steppes accepted Judaism.
    Ashkenazi Z93 is phylogenetically rooted in the Near East, among Iranian speakers. But I suppose it'll never be possible to say with certainty that the Ashkenazi Z93 founder wasn't a Khazar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    I don't see what's so surprising about Levites and Brahmins being R1a-Z93, the custodians of the Ka'ba are R1a-L657 (the most common Z93 branch in South Asia) and I don't see you asking the same questions.
    I simply missed this information. This makes the whole thing even more intriguing.

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    The Bani Shaiba or the sons of Shaiba (Arabic: Banī Shaybah بني شيبه) are an Arabic tribe that hold the keys to the Kaaba.[1] The members of the tribe greet visitors into the Kaaba during the cleaning ceremony and clean the interior together with the visitors. Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al-Sheibi (sometimes spelled Al-Shaibi[2]), who died in November 2010, kept the key for eighteen years.[3] His brother, Abdul Qader Al-Sheibi, became the new key-bearer.[3] Abdul Qader Al-Sheibi died on 23 October 2014.[4] Sheikh Abdul Qadir Al-Shaibi was the 108th successor of Othman Bin Talha. Dr. Saleh Bin Taha Al-Shaibi, the oldest member of Shaibi family, will be the new keeper of Kaaba. [5]

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    This was bestowed on Tasm, a tribe of Aad before Quraysh. It passed to Khuza'a, then Qusai, who gave it to his son Abdul Dar, who handed it over to his son Othman. It shifted from one person to another until it rested with their nephew Shaiba. It is still inherited by their successors up to the present day.[citation needed] Muhammad, the Islamic prophet, handed the keys to Bani Shaiba in the year of the conquest of Mecca, and said, "Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant."[6]
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    What do you think about Hittites being R1a-Z93?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblic...ingdoms_period

    R1a-Z93 was probably common in military castes in the Middle East so they probably could mix with local temple aristocracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    What do you think about Hittites being R1a-Z93?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblic...ingdoms_period

    R1a-Z93 was probably common in military castes in the Middle East so they probably could mix with local temple aristocracy.
    Pretty good chance, I reckon.

    We already know for a fact that the Mittani had an Indo-Aryan elite, which screams R1a-Z93. And not only that, but chariot warfare spread to them and the Mycenaean Greeks from the Sintashta-dominated steppe.

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    The author of this recent book:

    Łukasz Niesiołowski-Spano, "Goliath’s Legacy. Philistines and Hebrews in Biblical Times", Translated from Polish by Maria Kantor

    In the 12th century BCE revolutionary changes and major population movements took place in the eastern Mediterranean. One element of this complex process was the appearance of the warlike Sea Peoples on the coast of the Middle East. Among the groups that we know of the most important seem to be Philistines. It is no accident that the name of the region - Palestine - comes precisely from this ethnonym.

    The book examines the impact of the Sea Peoples, especially the Philistines, on the local population, and on the Hebrews in particular. To determine the chronological sequence, the first part presents the biblical narrative in a synthetic way, and thus the Philistines’ role in the history of Israel and Judah. These considerations complement the study of geography, in which toponyms are discussed to establish a range of the Philistines’ impact.

    Concerning the likely duration of an impact of the Philistines on the Hebrews, two periods were suggested: the early Iron Age (ca. 1150-900 BCE) and the domination of Assyria (ca. 750-650 BCE). The second part of the book discusses the culture of the Hebrews, known from the Bible, which may have its roots in the Philistines’ heritage. These phenomena are divided into thematic groups.

    The impact of the Philistines on the Hebrews was much larger than previously thought, and it was not connected only with Judah’s and Israel’s response to the presence of a hostile neighbor. Several components of Hebrew culture and some literary motifs in the Bible seem to derive specifically from the Philistines’ culture.

    ... suggests that Levites were originally Philistines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    Your trolling skills suck, try harder tovarisch.
    I am not trolling, khaver, that is the historical truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    We already know for a fact that the Mittani had an Indo-Aryan elite, which screams R1a-Z93.
    Not just Mitanni. Canaan too was conquered by aR1an chariot warrior elite in the 17th century BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    Ashkenazi and R1a-z93 connection may have come from Khazars. It's well accepted that Khazars of the steppes accepted Judaism.
    Highly unlikely, according to Rootsi et al. 2013, M582 is found in ~16% of non-Ashkenazi Levites as well as Persians from the Kerman province, Anatolian Kurds and Iranian Azeris; only one Nogay sample was M582+. While we shouldn't rely on contemporary frequencies, this certainly doesn't warrant some sort of Khazar connection. In turn, CTS6 is pretty much a Jewish-only branch of Z2124, the fact that F1345 (which is directly upstream) is found in Palestinians from Galilee doesn't do justice to this theory either.


    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Those Bronze Age samples are just red herrings to distract you from the actual arrivals of populations with Semitic ancestry. Don’t take the bait by focusing on the wrong samples, lol. He is passing off Bronze Age Levantines with no evidence of strong predynastic input, as “Semites“. This way, he can flip it around and say Proto-Semitic speakers and predynastics were more or less identical to the Bronze Age Levantines sampled so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    What do you think about Hittites being R1a-Z93?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblic...ingdoms_period

    R1a-Z93 was probably common in military castes in the Middle East so they probably could mix with local temple aristocracy.
    I'd be quite surprised if R1a-Z93 had anything to do with the Hittites, so far I think R1b-Z2103 makes more sense if we are to invoke the Hittites. R1a-F1345 sure does look like a serious contender for the Mitannians, since its TMRCA falls right into the Mitannian period during the LBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    I am not trolling, khaver, that is the historical truth.
    Sure it is, a pity it doesn't fit with the timeframe associated with the Levites' R1a branch tho

    Not just Mitanni. Canaan too was conquered by aR1an chariot warrior elite in the 17th century BC.
    If you're referring to the Hyksos, you're clearly mistaken since none of these guys had IE names (most of them had NW Semitic names, some were very Canaanite-like Sakir-Har).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Those Bronze Age samples are just red herrings to distract you from the actual arrivals of populations with Semitic ancestry. Don’t take the bait by focusing on the wrong samples, lol. He is passing off Bronze Age Levantines with no evidence of strong predynastic input, as “Semites“. This way, he can flip it around and say Proto-Semitic speakers and predynastics were more or less identical to the Bronze Age Levantines sampled so far.

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    Kek when people spit out Houston Stewart Chamberlain's completely baseless and racially inspired theories about Aryans in the Middle East solely aimed, originally, at de-Semiticising Jesus.

    Bear in mind Levites have very little power, and non-AJ Levites are rarely R1a. This debate is based on misapprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    I simply missed this information. This makes the whole thing even more intriguing.
    Bani Shaiba is a clan of Quraysh the same tribe of the prophet Mohammed. Bani Shaiba are the distant cousins of the prophet Mohamed they are the descendants of Abdul dar ( which mean in arabic the servant of the Kaaba) which is the brother of Abd Manaf the great grand father of prophet Mohamed.
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