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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Has rooster any meaningful symbolism in Judaism?
    It seems it has:



    Seems very Zoroastrian to my untrained eye.

    Zoroaster rejected the religion of the Bronze Age Iranians, with their many gods and oppressive class structure, in which the Karvis and Karapans (princes and priests) controlled the ordinary people. He also opposed animal sacrifices and the use of the hallucinogenic Haoma plant (possibly a species of ephedra) in rituals, but held the rooster as a "symbol of light" and associated it with "good against evil" because of his heraldic actions.
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    rooster for a male; hen for a female; money can be substituted for the chicken-swinging; the money is circled around the head like in the video; both chicken and money are donated to charity for the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Zoroaster rejected the religion of the Bronze Age Iranians, with their many gods and oppressive class structure, in which the Karvis and Karapans (princes and priests) controlled the ordinary people. He also opposed animal sacrifices and the use of the hallucinogenic Haoma plant (possibly a species of ephedra) in rituals, but held the rooster as a "symbol of light" and associated it with "good against evil" because of his heraldic actions.
    Are Karpaty (Carpathian Mountains) in any way connected to any IE solar cults?

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    New paper on Ashkenazi Levites:

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    Approximately 300,000 men around the globe self-identify as Ashkenazi Levites, of whom two thirds were previously shown to descend from a single male. The paucity of whole Y-chromosome sequences precluded conclusive identification of this ancestor’s age, geographic origin and migration patterns. Here, we report the variation of 486 Y-chromosomes within the Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Levite R1a clade, other Ashkenazi Jewish paternal lineages, as well as non-Levite Jewish and non-Jewish R1a samples. Cumulatively, the emerging profile is of a Middle Eastern ancestor, self-affiliating as Levite, and carrying the highly resolved R1a-Y2619 lineage, which was likely a minor haplogroup among the Hebrews. A star-like phylogeny, coalescing similarly to other Ashkenazi paternal lineages, ~1,743 ybp, suggests it to be one of the Ashkenazi paternal founders; to have expanded as part of the overall Ashkenazi demographic expansion, without special relation to the Levite affiliation; and to have subsequently spread to non-Ashkenazi Levites.
    "The genetic variation in the R1a clade among the Ashkenazi Levites’ Y chromosome", Doron M. Behar et al
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    I'm reading this right now thank you. Bottom line; it is an ancient Iranic subclade.

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    Read the paper, nothing really groundbreaking here, save the assessment that "Extensive full Y chromosome sequences from larger number of Cohen samples from more Jewish communities on the background of other Levantine populations, including ascertainment of family and clan specific variants would be very informative in addressing the finding that Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Cohen individuals share an overlapping distribution of lineages" and that "the study of the most dominant Cohen lineage nested with the prevalent haplogroup J1-P58, along with expert historical input, might grant critical insight to the understanding of Hebrews in the Old World". Considering R1a-F1345's TMRCA, it is quite likely to have arrived with the Mitannians, I'm surprised Behar et al. haven't taken this into account yet.


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    Those Bronze Age samples are just red herrings to distract you from the actual arrivals of populations with Semitic ancestry. Don’t take the bait by focusing on the wrong samples, lol. He is passing off Bronze Age Levantines with no evidence of strong predynastic input, as “Semites“. This way, he can flip it around and say Proto-Semitic speakers and predynastics were more or less identical to the Bronze Age Levantines sampled so far.

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