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    Default How did Neanderthal go extinct?

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    Human-Borne Diseases May Have Contributed to Neanderthal Extinction


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    Now, new research published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology suggests that human-borne diseases may have also played a major role in the downfall of Homo neanderthalensis. While there is no empirical evidence for disease transmission between the groups—yet—it stands to reason that our forebears carried pathogens from their native African turf with them as they swept through Europe. All sorts of fun infectious creatures like tapeworms, tuberculosis, and ulcer-inducing bacteria likely hitchhiked straight into Neanderthal range via their human hosts.
    "Humans migrating out of Africa would have been a significant reservoir of tropical diseases," said Cambridge University infectious disease expert Charlotte Houldcroft, co-author of the new study, in a statement. "For the Neanderthal population of Eurasia, adapted to that geographical infectious disease environment, exposure to new pathogens carried out of Africa may have been catastrophic."
    Indeed, having acquired no resistance to these exotic African ailments, Neanderthals would have been particularly vulnerable to epidemics. The scenario is somewhat analogous to modern pandemics, like the devastating death toll among indigenous New World populations in the wake of European colonization, though Houldcroft cautioned that the latter example was much more extreme.
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    Sometimes I think so... Then I tune into Question Period in the Canadian House of Commons.
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    The same way Tasmanian aborigines, most Khoisan, most natives of the western hemisphere and other modern homosapiens have gone extinct. Aggression from a population with a more advanced technological package.
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    I also think we ate them.

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    We (Europeans) are partly Neanderthal ourselves: up to five per cent of every European's genes are Neanderthal, but not every gene expression that is inherited from them is the same in Europeans. When we sum up the total of traits that are impacted, we get a staggering 30 per cent. This number is incredible, I have it from this documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhI1Ykyl0Kc.
    In this film Neanderthal's extinction is explained by a volcanic eruption that reduced Neanderthal dramatically, everywhere in Eurasia except Western Europe. In combat with homo sapiens Neanderthal was superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skomand View Post
    We (Europeans) are partly Neanderthal ourselves: up to five per cent of every European's genes are Neanderthal, but not every gene expression that is inherited from them is the same in Europeans. When we sum up the total of traits that are impacted, we get a staggering 30 per cent. This number is incredible, I have it from this documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhI1Ykyl0Kc.
    In this film Neanderthal's extinction is explained by a volcanic eruption that reduced Neanderthal dramatically, everywhere in Eurasia except Western Europe. In combat with homo sapiens Neanderthal was superior.
    Every program I have seen puts the % at 1 to 4%. Scientists have examed these genes and found that these genes have no function at all except for the 1 gene that aids in immune function. 98% of the genes in the human body are inactive. Only 2% code proteins that change a bodys character.
    The latest research and models of human evolution show that there was no interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans. These genes we inherited came from a common ancestor to both humans and Neanderthals possibly a million years ago.

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    Most modern anthropoligists believe that the Cro-Magon man was larglely responsible for their extinction. Because as soon as they came into contact with them the Neaderthals quickly disappeared.
    However there is some new thinking on that. At the El Sidron site in southern Spain. Some 50,000 years ago 12 Neanderthals were killed, butchered and eaten. This was 10,000 years before Cro-Magons were known to be in the area. So who could have possibly done this?
    The latest bones of Homo Erectus discovered date to just 25,000 years ago. Homo Erectus was known to be a hunter-killer of other hominids. He is probably resposible for the extinction of Australopithecus Robustus. Robustus bones have been found in Homo Erectus firepits. So Homo Erectus is a good suspect in this killing of the Neanderthals. He may have played a significant role in the extinction of the Neanderthals. That is what he does, he is a supreme hunter killer.
    I don't believe Homo Erectus ever went extinct. This dude hangs around for 1.8 million years and suddenly goes extinct 25,000 years ago? I don't think so. He is still here.

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    Forget about H. Erectus, "modern" humans are very capable of cannibalism and Neanderthals too. An American was barbecued and eaten by a tribe in Papuan New Guinea in 60s (?) and they were not the only people eating their enemy in historic time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    I also think we ate them.
    Can you elaborate? This theory is interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoyceJoyce View Post
    Forget about H. Erectus, "modern" humans are very capable of cannibalism and Neanderthals too. An American was barbecued and eaten by a tribe in Papuan New Guinea in 60s (?) and they were not the only people eating their enemy in historic time.
    Forget about Homo Erectus? I don't think we can do that. Who butchered and ate these 12 Neanderthals 50,000 years ago? Cro-Magnons were not in Europe at that time. Homo Erectus is responsible for killing off A. Robustus and probably the Neanderthals too. He is supremely adapted for survival. He first appeared 1.8 million years ago and there is a belief that he never went extinct. He is still with us today and will be one reason why the European white man will become extinct within 150 years.

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