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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Code:
    LBA_Sudovia	 30,57    
    LBA_Hungary_BR2	 26,14    
    CA_Estonia_MA969	 17,83    
    Dnieper_Donets_N1	 6,90    
    BA_Silesia_RISE150	 6,13    
    BA_Mycenaean_I9041	 2,30    
    BA_EastGermany_I0116	 1,81    
    BA_Armenia_I1658	 1,64    
    BA_EastGermany_I0115	 1,34    
    BA_Mycenaean_I9006	 0,80    
    IA_EastGermanic_Mas5	 0,70    
    IA_EastGermanic_Kow22	 0,66    
    BA_Steppe_RISE505	 0,59    
    IA_EastGermanic_Kow55	 0,52    
    Ancestral Siberian	 0,48    
    IA_EastGermanic_Kow25	 0,33    
    IA_Hungary_IR1	 0,18    
    IA_LevantEgypt_3DRIF26b	 0,17    
    BA_EastGermany_I0117	 0,14    
    BA_Armenia_I1658	 0,12    
    CA_Estonia_MA973	 0,12    
    BA_Steppe_RISE395	 0,09    
    BA_Armenia_I1635	 0,07    
    CA_Iran_I1674	 0,07    
    IA_Scythian_I0247	 0,07    
    Ancestral Basque	 0,05    
    BA_Portugal_I0207	 0,05    
    IA_Egypt_JK2911	 0,04    
    BA_Armenia_I1633	 0,03    
    LBA_Armenia_RISE412	 0,03    
    BA_Levant_I1705	 0,02    
    BA_Levant_I1730	 0,02    
    CA_Iran_I1655b	 0,01
    Number of modern Slavic population out of all 50 analysed by Litvin for which given ancient sample was required in the model:

    Code:
    LBA_Hungary_BR2	50
    LBA_Sudovia	50
    CA_Estonia_MA969	43
    Dnieper_Donets_N1	31
    BA_Silesia_RISE150	28
    BA_EastGermany_I0116	14
    BA_Armenia_I1658	12
    IA_EastGermanic_Mas5	11
    BA_EastGermany_I0115	10
    BA_Mycenaean_I9041	9
    BA_Mycenaean_I9006	8
    IA_EastGermanic_Kow22	7
    BA_Steppe_RISE505	6
    Ancestral Siberian	6
    IA_EastGermanic_Kow55	5
    IA_EastGermanic_Kow25	4
    IA_Hungary_IR1	3
    BA_Armenia_I1658	3
    BA_EastGermany_I0117	2
    IA_LevantEgypt_3DRIF26b	2
    BA_Armenia_I1635	2
    Ancestral Basque	2
    IA_Scythian_I0247	1
    BA_Portugal_I0207	1
    BA_Armenia_I1633	1
    CA_Iran_I1674	1
    CA_Iran_I1655b	1
    IA_Egypt_JK2911	1
    BA_Levant_I1705	1
    BA_Levant_I1730	1
    LBA_Armenia_RISE412	1
    BA_Steppe_RISE395	1
    CA_Estonia_MA973	1

    By the way this CA_Estonia_MA969 sample is from Corded Ware Culture and was R1a1a1b-Z645/U5b2c, while BA_Silesia_RISE150 is from Unetice Culture (U5a1b1).
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    50 Slavic populations ranked by the sum of LBA_Hungary_BR2 and LBA_Sudovia:

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    Slovaks	77,4
    Ukraine Zakarpahia	76,55
    Ukraine Central	74,3
    Ukraine Poltava	72,15
    Ukraine North-East	71,9
    Slovenian	71,6
    Poland Lubelskie	70,95
    Poland South	68,9
    Croatians	68,45
    Ukraine North	67,6
    Bosnians	66,2
    Russia Bryansk	66
    Belarus Polesia	64,95
    Poland Mixed	64,9
    Serbs	63,8
    Poland Upper Silesia	63,7
    Belarus East	63,7
    Poland Mazovia	62,55
    Poland Podlasie	62,45
    Ukraine West	62,25
    Czechs	62,05
    Russia Oryol	61,95
    Belarus West	61,75
    Russia Smolensk	61,75
    Poland Podkarpackie	61,7
    Russia Tambov	60,75
    West Serbs	60,4
    Russia Center	60,05
    Russia Voronezh	59,65
    Poland Sudovia	58,65
    Russia Pskov	58,5
    Russia Ryazan-Tula	58,45
    Montenegrins	56,75
    Russia Don Cossacks	53,95
    Poland Wielkopolska	53,8
    Poland Kashubians	53,25
    Russia Tver	52,3
    Russia Meshchera	49,85
    Russia Rostov	49,2
    Bulgarians	47,3
    Macedonians	46,35
    Lusatian Sorbs	46
    Poland North	40,95
    Russia Novgorod	40,7
    Russia Vyatka	34,1
    Russia Solvychegodsk	33
    Russia Perm	31,5
    Russia Kostroma	30,75
    Russia North Dvina	18,4
    Russia Pinega	11,5

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    The origin of Slavs and Poles is a really fascinating subject.
    When looking at the PCA of global_9dim data for West Eurasia I noticed that there are no populations between Poles and Hungarian Bronze Age cultures Vatya:RISE479 and Hungary_BA:I1502:


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/grk44k156p...l9dim.pdf?dl=0

    This suggests that some populations in Hungary could have taken part in our origin. This is also supported by haplotype-based affinity of other Hungarian Bronze age sample:




    On the other hand we also suspect that Corded Ware Culture contributed something to our origin.
    Assuming that part of our ancestry comes from CWC I wanted to find out about the other part and carried out experiment using nMonte and global 9dim data. I let nMonte calculate affinity for every Polish sample using CWC and all relevant Neolithic and Mesolitic cultures data. I got following results:

    Code:
    _	 Polish_Poland1
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	42,95
    	
    Anatolia_Neolithic:I1096	6,4
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	7,2
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303	10,35
    LBK_EN:I0821	9,05
    Loschbour:Loschbour	12,95
    Motala_HG:I0014	11,1
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland2
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	48,9
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	16,05
    _	
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	8,15
    LBK_EN:I0821	11,3
    Loschbour:Loschbour	15,6
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland3
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	49,65
    Corded_Ware_Germany_RISE446	1,05
    _	
    Anatolia_Neolithic:I1096	1,9
    Bichon:Bichon	9,6
    Hungary_EN:I1498	0,55
    Hungary_HG:I1507	4,9
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	32,35
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland4
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	24,45
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	19,7
    _	
    Anatolia_Neolithic:I1096	3,85
    Baalberge_MN:I0559	13,45
    Hungary_EN:I1498	14,25
    Loschbour:Loschbour	8,65
    Motala_HG:I0014	15,65
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland5
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	24,95
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	23,5
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	14,3
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	0,15
    Iberia_Mesolithic:I0585	1,05
    LBK_EN:I0821	21,6
    Loschbour:Loschbour	14,45
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland6
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	17,4
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	0,3
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1538	28,85
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	0,1
    Iberia_Mesolithic:I0585	6,8
    Iberia_MN:I0405	0,1
    LBK_EN:I0821	28,45
    Loschbour:Loschbour	18
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland7
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	41,15
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	12,85
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1540	5,65
    	
    Baalberge_MN:I0559	0,75
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	25,55
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	0,65
    Loschbour:Loschbour	13,4
    	
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland8
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	37,15
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1534	15,6
    _	
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1314	0,95
    LBK_EN:I0821	25,45
    Loschbour:Loschbour	11,9
    Motala_HG:I0014	8,9
    Motala_HG:I0015	0,05
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland9
    Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00	2,05
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	0,15
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	0,05
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	3
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1538	44,05
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	0,05
    Hungary_EN:I1498	36,25
    Iberia_Mesolithic:I0585	3,9
    Iberia_MN:I0405	0,1
    Loschbour:Loschbour	10,4
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland10
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	52,75
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1538	0,25
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	13,4
    Bichon:Bichon	9,45
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303	24,15
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland11
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	53,15
    _	
    Anatolia_Neolithic:I1096	1,55
    Bichon:Bichon	10,85
    Hungary_EN:I1498	23,25
    Loschbour:Loschbour	11,2
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland12
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	20,3
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	0,05
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1538	24,15
    _	
    Anatolia_Neolithic:I1096	8,45
    Hungary_EN:I1498	0,5
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303	16,65
    Iberia_Mesolithic:I0585	0,25
    Iberia_MN:I0405	0,65
    LBK_EN:I0821	8,8
    Loschbour:Loschbour	4,85
    Motala_HG:I0014	15,35
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland13
    Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00	48,9
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	0,15
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	11,4
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	4,85
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1534	11,05
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1538	0,95
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0559	12
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	0,8
    Loschbour:Loschbour	9,9
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland14
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	23,05
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	15,9
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	27,75
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1534	0,7
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0559	8,75
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1314	4,15
    LBK_EN:I0046	9,35
    Loschbour:Loschbour	10,35
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland15
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	51,1
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1534	1,7
    _	
    BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN:I0171	7,6
    Bichon:Bichon	6,5
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	13,05
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303	10,05
    Loschbour:Loschbour	10
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland16
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	43,1
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	11,5
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0559	21,8
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I0581	1,35
    LBK_EN:I0821	6,65
    Loschbour:Loschbour	3,5
    Motala_HG:I0014	12,1
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland17
    Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00	3,95
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	32,2
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	22,6
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	16,3
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	21,3
    Loschbour:Loschbour	3,5
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland18
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	1,3
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	39,4
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	23,15
    _	
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1281	7,15
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1314	0,25
    LBK_EN:I0046	16,05
    LBK_EN:I0821	0,05
    Loschbour:Loschbour	12,65
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland19
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	42,95
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	10,1
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0106	9,3
    _	
    Bichon:Bichon	0,2
    Hungary_EN:I1498	14,55
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1280	0,2
    Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284	10,9
    Loschbour:Loschbour	11,8
    	
    	
    _	 Polish_Poland20
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0049	6,7
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104	51,65
    Corded_Ware_Germany_I1538	1,5
    _	
    Baalberge_MN:I0559	13,7
    Baalberge_MN:I0560	13,75
    Loschbour:Loschbour	12,7
    Each Polish sample can be represent as a mix of CWC part and Neolithc Farmer-Mesolithic HG mix part. For example Polish:Poland10 will be a mix of PL10_CW and PL10_HF where PL10_CW is a combination of CWC contribution and PL10_HF is a combination of hunter-farmer mix contribution.
    On PCA plot it looks like this:



    On West Eurasian plot it will look like this:



    The artificial population PL_HF looks like a pure mix of Hungarian HG and Hungarian EN/CA populations:



    Looking closer:




    http://postimg.org/gallery/134v0qkm0/


    If the model PL = PL_CW + PL_HF is true this sets many interesting questions about the languages of PL_CW and PL_HF which both probably contributed to our language. And also which cultures contributed to PL_HF. Was it the Dnieper–Donets culture or Tripolye mixed with HG before mixing with steppe or some mixing took place in Poland Eastern TRB or Baden.
    Dniepr-Donets appears in top 4 of samples useful in modeling of Slavic populations made by Litvin.

    Ukraine_N1 sample is from Dniepr-Donets Culture:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Lithuanians and Latvians, without using Early Medieval Slavic samples:

    Latvia (average):

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    HG_Latvia_HG3 BA_Hungary_RISE479 EBA_Cuiavia_PLN17
    22.11420 23.77245 24.84640
    N1_DnieprDonets_Vovnigi2 EBA_Russia_RISE555 LBA_Sudovia_RISE598
    25.05124 26.01686 26.23064
    HG_Ukraine_HG1 BA_Andronovo_RISE505
    28.10779 28.47618

    Mixed mode:

    [1] "distance%=3.904 / distance=0.03904"

    LBA_Sudovia_RISE598 44.25
    HG_Karelia_I0211 41.35
    BA_Hungary_RISE479 6.70
    BA_Sintashta_RISE395 4.90
    BB_Czechia_RISE567 1.15
    MN1_Latvia_Zvej26 0.75
    IA_Kazakhstan_Ze6 0.65
    IA_Hungary_IR1 0.20
    HG_Latvia_HG3 0.05

    Lithuania (average):

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    BA_Hungary_RISE479 LBA_Sudovia_RISE598 EBA_Cuiavia_PLN17
    22.15409 22.60709 25.14498
    HG_Latvia_HG3 N1_DnieprDonets_Vovnigi2 EBA_Russia_RISE555
    25.63834 26.17630 27.00970
    HG_Ukraine_HG1 BA_Hungary_BR1
    29.71291 29.78455

    Mixed mode:

    [1] "distance%=4.9784 / distance=0.049784"

    LBA_Sudovia_RISE598 55.15
    HG_Karelia_I0211 30.40
    BB_Czechia_RISE567 4.60
    HG_Latvia_HG3 3.95
    BA_Hungary_RISE371 3.30
    BA_Unetice_Germany_I0115 2.10
    BA_Afanasievo_RISE509 0.25
    BA_Hungary_RISE479 0.15
    MN1_Latvia_Zvej26 0.10
    Was this done with the same settings as 50 Slavic populations here?

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