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    East Pole has Belarusian origins. AFAIK, His parents or grand parents came to Poland from Belarus after WWII. He has N1c1 y-dna marker. Genetically , he is similar to me. Typical northern Belarusian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auduid View Post
    Are Uralics not European the same as Basques and Georgians? Indo-European =/= European

    It seemed to me that Latvians and Lithuanians are in one camp (with Prussians), White and Red Russians in another (with Poles).

    On the other hand, Lithuanians are junior Polaks in the same way that Prussians are junior Germans, Hungarians are junior Austrians, Finns are junior Swedes, Estonians are junior Danes and I guess that Latvians are junior Russians, lol.
    Mate! Take a look at physical appearance of Belarusians and Lithuanians. There was a girl from Kaunas on this forum. She said Belarusians and Lithuanians are as twins. We can't see the difference between each other. Look at geographic map where Lithuanians and Belarusians live.

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    Canonical disriminate analysis (CDA) by physical anthropologist from Moscow State University. Large samples from Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, Latvia, Finland, Estonia




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioterus View Post
    If we talk about genetic similarities we only have two basic groups of Slavs - North Slavs and South Slavs. The latter is a Balcano- Slavic mix, hence the split. The only Slavs a bit closer to Germans genetically are Czechs (and Slovaks?). Prussians were mostly Germanized Masurians and old-Prussians. Some Ostsiedlung took obviuosly place, so real Germans also lived in Prussia.
    Most of Prussian Masurians spoke Polish until they have been forced to flee to Germany by Soviets. It was a politically hard nut to crack for Nazis as these Masurians were most loyal NSDAP voters in whole Germany, yet they spoke "untermensch" tongue at homes.

    No, North Slavs are not Slavicised Balts as both groups have their distinct genetic markers and they autosomally differ.
    If North Slavs have no relationship with Balts, then explain what the supposed Balkanization of the Yugoslavs actually amounts to. Albanians are supposed to be Satem, I have read on here, so they must be in good company. It seems more like you're disowning them from the Slavic category, when North Slavs are themselves subject to hybridization, whether in Bohemia or Siberia. You would try to split up the Balto-Slav category, which is from the relationship you say doesn't exist. LOL

    I think it's more important to demarcate Balto-Slavs from Centum Germanic and Celtic, rather than try to make the case that you are "Nordic". You just may be, but in the Satem world, where the Indo-Aryans are "Mediterranid". I think of the apparent Nordicist-Medicist split in the Centum world and notice how no Balto-Slavs fit into this scenario. You are more foreign to Celto-Germans than Greco-Romans. Your Iron Curtain is a real thing.

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    That's especially illuminating, when, for all the talk of Centum England being caught up in Centum French and Spanish politics over the post-1066 period, that the Centum Swedes got even more lost by immersion in the Satem Polish-Lithuanian and Russian wilderness.
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    On the other hand, despite the common Indo-European heritage of Centum Swedes and Satem Polish-Lithuanians and Russians, Sweden has a deeper relationship with Finland, as Austria does with Hungary. France and Hungary each individually connected with Poland-Lithuania, but these were isolated circumstances. Come to think of it, so too was the Swedish relationship with the latter. Centum with Finno-Ugric just don't relate well with Satem.

    Oh wait; the Anglo-Indian relationship... ;P

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    Albanians have much more of R1b than of R1a.

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    Based on: "The Uniparental Genetic Landscape of Modern Slavic Speaking Populations", Sena Karachanak-Yankova et al.

    Sequentially eliminating most diverging outliers - first Tula, then Vladimir, then Pskov&Novgorod etc. - we finally get a group consisting of Czechs, Poles, Croatians and Slovenians. Then Chechs drop out, and then Poles, so in the end we are left with Croatians and Slovenians.

    Is it because the mtDNA pool of Central Europeans is most average hence least divergent? Or there is deeper meaning of this?

    Here is PCA (the center of the spread seems to be around Slovenia):

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    Y-chromosome haplogroups:



    Here the method of consequtive eliminating of most divergent outliers gives victory to Belarus North&Belgorod pair:



    On the other hand the center of the spread on the PCA plot seems to be around Kursk:


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    By the way this "method" of sequential elimination of most divergent ourliers applied to the tree based on the mtDNA pools of European population gives bronze medal to Swedes (Saami excluded), and silver-gold to Croatians and Northwest Italians:



    ... while applied to Y-chromosome frequencies gives bronze Ukrainians, and silver-gold to Poles and Ukrainians:





    Probably the reason why Poles/Ukrainians/Belarusians come here as uber-Europeans is the Slavic bias of this dataset (and lack of North-West European populations).
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