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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    you should becuse we are at least partly sefhardi from iberia
    my father is half syrian jew and score 39% sefhardi in my origins 2.0
    the chance taht this came to him from his aschenazi mother is close to 0%
    Kingjohn is correct; SyJ's, Syrian Jews (like my brother-in-law lol) are a composite of mostly native Northern Israel never-exiled Musta'arabi Jews, like the Musta'arabi Jews of Peqi'in and Shefar'am etc, in Israel. They do have a Sefaradi admixture from Spanish exiles (i.e. Laniado and other surnames) as well as admixture with Bavli (Iraqi) Mizrahhi Jews (like kingjohn's Danguri relatives).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    Kingjohn is correct; SyJ's, Syrian Jews (like my brother-in-law lol) are a composite of mostly native Northern Israel never-exiled Musta'arabi Jews, like the Musta'arabi Jews of Peqi'in and Shefar'am etc, in Israel. They do have a Sefaradi admixture from Spanish exiles (i.e. Laniado and other surnames) as well as admixture with Bavli (Iraqi) Mizrahhi Jews (like kingjohn's Danguri relatives).
    yes we do have some mizrachi blood
    me and my father both scored pakistan in dna tribes snp signitures test i 3.5% and father 5%
    same goes for kurd k29
    both me and my father score 4-5% south central asia{ baluch brahui} in this test and my mother score 0% for it
    so probably some iranian tribes back in the day joined the jews in iran to give us those genetic signatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    thanks svin
    do you happen to know what are the results of full aschenazi
    with this tool ?

    kind regards
    adam

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    the sefhardic results look damn logic
    especialy the iberia stuff
    Ashkenazi Jews can be clustered in with North African Jews and Eastern Sephardim. They show really high IBD sharing with French Jews and Italian Jews from memory. Italian Jews are like the gateway between Eastern Sephardim, North African Jews and Ashkenazi Jews.

    Using Samaritans as the ONLY West Asian population like I did with the other analyses

    [1] "distance%=0.5238 / distance=0.005238"

    Ashkenazi_Jew

    Samaritan 41.05
    Italian_Tuscan 29.30
    Tatar 10.15
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.35
    Balkans_IA 5.95
    Mozabite 5.20
    German 0.00
    Watch what happens to Ashkenazi and Turkish/Bulgarian Jews when you add 'Armenians'. For the hell of it I included Sicillian East to illustrate how much more 'Levantine' Ashkenazim are.

    [1] "distance%=0.4343 / distance=0.004343"

    Ashkenazi_Jew

    Samaritan 33.30
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.70
    Armenian 14.45
    Balkans_IA 13.85
    German 7.35
    Mozabite 7.25
    Tatar 5.85
    Italian_Tuscan 3.25
    [1] "distance%=0.8223 / distance=0.008223"

    Sephardic_Jew

    Samaritan 33.95
    Balkans_IA 29.00
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.45
    Armenian 11.25
    Mozabite 9.75
    Tatar 1.60
    Italian_Tuscan 0.00
    German 0.00
    [1] "distance%=0.9063 / distance=0.009063"

    Sicilian_East

    Samaritan 24.6
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 21.6
    Italian_Tuscan 21.2
    Balkans_IA 20.1
    Armenian 10.1
    Tatar 2.4
    Mozabite 0.0
    German 0.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svin View Post
    Watch what happens to Ashkenazi and Turkish/Bulgarian Jews when you add 'Armenians'. For the hell of it I included Sicillian East to illustrate how much more 'Levantine' Ashkenazim are.

    "East Sicily" there is a Syracusan sample, the part of Sicily with the least Near Eastern input. If you had a sample from Palermo or Agrigento it'd be exactly like Ashkenazim.

    The "West Sicily" sample is from Trapani which has elevated Norman input so it would come up on the other side of Ashkenazim also, even if more Near Eastern than the Syracuse sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svin View Post
    Ashkenazi Jews can be clustered in with North African Jews and Eastern Sephardim. They show really high IBD sharing with French Jews and Italian Jews from memory. Italian Jews are like the gateway between Eastern Sephardim, North African Jews and Ashkenazi Jews.

    Using Samaritans as the ONLY West Asian population like I did with the other analyses



    Watch what happens to Ashkenazi and Turkish/Bulgarian Jews when you add 'Armenians'. For the hell of it I included Sicillian East to illustrate how much more 'Levantine' Ashkenazim are.
    wow even with the armenian you add
    sefhardi from turkey bulgaria score huge balkan iron age 30% but 0% tuscan
    how do you explain it ?
    i see both aschenazi and sefhardi have iberian genes 14%
    aschenazi seem to have german that the sefhardi lack and there tatar is higher

    kind regards
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    the killer look :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    wow even with the armenian you add
    sefhardi from turkey bulgaria score huge balkan iron age 30% but 0% tuscan
    how do you explain it ?
    i see both aschenazi and sefhardi have iberian genes 14%
    aschenazi seem to have german that the sefhardi lack and there tatar is higher

    kind regards
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    I have no idea how to explain that. What I can see from the Balkan_IA sample though is that it seems to lack as much WHG and Steppe origins as the Tuscan sample and has more Neolithic Farmer (Mediterranean) affinity. Also does seem overall pretty matchy with these diasporic Jews. A mid to late iron age sample from Anatolia/Greece/Italy for Jews would be more ideal to use then modern Tuscan's and Greeks and Iron Age Balkans for gauging the potential amount of non-Semitic East-Mediterranean ancestry in Jews.

    The Iberian results were interesting. Surprised Turkish/Bulgarian Jews scored more then Moroccan Jews. Moroccan Jews have about as much WHG as Turkish Jews, but then again WHG is very evidently significantly present in North Africa too, not just Iberia.

    I think it appears as though Ashkenazi MAY potentially have a very minor amount of more additional non-semitic West Asian ancestry on top of their Semitic origins. I'm not reading too much into their Tatar scores since Sephardic Jews scored some too and the Khazar theory has been debunked a million times. At best that theory could be relevant for anywhere between 0-5 % of their DNA. Not sure if German was a good population choice. Yiddish after all is Germanic. It does appear as though Ashkenazim drift <5-10% away from French/Italian Jews towards maybe modern day Central Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svin View Post
    I have no idea how to explain that. What I can see from the Balkan_IA sample though is that it seems to lack as much WHG and Steppe origins as the Tuscan sample and has more Neolithic Farmer (Mediterranean) affinity. Also does seem overall pretty matchy with these diasporic Jews. A mid to late iron age sample from Anatolia/Greece/Italy for Jews would be more ideal to use then modern Tuscan's and Greeks and Iron Age Balkans for gauging the potential amount of non-Semitic East-Mediterranean ancestry in Jews.

    The Iberian results were interesting. Surprised Turkish/Bulgarian Jews scored more then Moroccan Jews. Moroccan Jews have about as much WHG as Turkish Jews, but then again WHG is very evidently significantly present in North Africa too, not just Iberia.

    I think it appears as though Ashkenazi MAY potentially have a very minor amount of more additional non-semitic West Asian ancestry on top of their Semitic origins. I'm not reading too much into their Tatar scores since Sephardic Jews scored some too and the Khazar theory has been debunked a million times. At best that theory could be relevant for anywhere between 0-5 % of their DNA. Not sure if German was a good population choice. Yiddish after all is Germanic. It does appear as though Ashkenazim drift <5-10% away from French/Italian Jews towards maybe modern day Central Europeans.
    try poles instead of tatar for aschenazi you might nail it

    about sefhardi from turkey bulgaria score more iberian than Moroccan jews not surprised
    i am part bulgarian sefhardi and
    i score 6% southwest europe in dna land and gencove after there update
    they don't have sefhardi refernce like my origins 2.0 but anyway a full Moroccan jew from another forum don't score southwest europe
    not in dna land and not in gencove instead he do score 20% north /.central italy {part of the refernce is tuscan} in gencove inline with your run
    regards
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