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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager View Post
    Whoah there, the Saxon farmers had nothing to do with the original Magna Carta. Don't fall for the Hollywood Ivanhoe hocus-pocus.
    It was originally just a way for a self-centred French-speaking aristocracy in England to control the excesses of King John.

    Current English law and government owes a great deal to Henry the Second, a Plantagenet from Anjou.
    Good call, thanks. Many times there were " revolutions from above" that actually saw the betterment of the lives of the common people and King Henry II's reign saw some of that apply in the case of his kingdom ( which wasn't restricted to Great Britain. in those times, parts of France were also under the control of the English monarchs) http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/..._II_of_England, http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...magna_01.shtml.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blodeuwedd View Post
    I've noticed that bashing Anglos in general is quite popular these days. Let's face it -- some of that is just born out of envy; some people have an inferiority complex.
    To be frank, Anglos, Scandos and other Westerners are seen as PC-maniacs by e.g Slavs.

    Anyway, Euros/whites bitching on each other are no good in today's world where the battle is between traitors/migrant floods and nationalists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janos View Post
    To be frank, Anglos, Scandos and other Westerners are seen as PC-maniacs by e.g Slavs.

    Anyway, Euros/whites bitching on each other are no good in today's world where the battle is between traitors/migrant floods and nationalists.
    Point well taken. We all of us have histories to be proud of and we should celebrate rather than denigrate them. I am studying the history of the Spanish Empire in Latin America at the moment. They made some pretty damned impressive advancements of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janos View Post
    To be frank, Anglos, Scandos and other Westerners are seen as PC-maniacs by e.g Slavs.
    In much the same way that liberal US Northerners et al. are seen as limp-dicked, weak-spined PC maniacs by Southerners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blodeuwedd View Post
    In much the same way that liberal US Northerners et al. are seen as limp-dicked, weak-spined PC maniacs by Southerners.
    That is most certainly true.. not to mention pedigree- less foreigners, for the most part..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooding View Post
    Good call, thanks. Many times there were " revolutions from above" that actually saw the betterment of the lives of the common people and King Henry II's reign saw some of that apply in the case of his kingdom ( which wasn't restricted to Great Britain. in those times, parts of France were also under the control of the English monarchs) http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/..._II_of_England, http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...magna_01.shtml.
    England has been fortunate in producing world class leaders from time to time.

    Examples are Alfred the Great of Wessex who prevented all of England becoming an annexe of the Danes.
    Another, of course, is Henry the Second of the Plantagenets.
    Western Europe would have benefited from a united English-French polity that endured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooding View Post
    Point well taken. We all of us have histories to be proud of and we should celebrate rather than denigrate them. I am studying the history of the Spanish Empire in Latin America at the moment. They made some pretty damned impressive advancements of their own.
    Don't forget the Portuguese whose voyages around the African coast in tiny wooden ships on the way to trade in India and Japan reminds me of "To boldly go where no man has gone before" in anticipation of James T. Kirk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager View Post
    England has been fortunate in producing world class leaders from time to time.

    Examples are Alfred the Great of Wessex who prevented all of England becoming an annexe of the Danes.
    Another, of course, is Henry the Second of the Plantagenets.
    Western Europe would have benefited from a united English-French polity that endured.

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    Don't forget the Portuguese whose voyages around the African coast in tiny wooden ships on the way to trade in India and Japan reminds me of "To boldly go where no man has gone before" in anticipation of James T. Kirk!
    Henry the Navigator was indeed the point of departure for Europe's Age of Exploration http://www.biography.com/people/henry-the-navigator and Vasco da Gama found his way to India for the first time http://www.biography.com/people/vasco-da-gama-9305736.

    To get back to the British, the English were by no means the only impetus behind the founding of the British Empire. When James Stuart ascended the English throne as James I, he was already the King of Scotland and with his accession, the two Kingdoms of England and Scotland were united. It was also under King James that the Plantation of Ulster went underway, shortly after Jamestown was founded in Virginia in 1607. In 1707, a century after the founding of Jamestown, the English and Scottish Parliaments were united in another Act of Union. Of course, when the Stuarts fell after the follies of King James II ( a little late to think of returning Britain to the Roman Catholic fold) and the Hanoverians took charge under the German King George I, there were rumblings of discontent North of the English/ Scottish Border.

    That came to a head when the charismatic ( but slightly foolish) Prince Charles Edward Stuart made an aborted attempt to rally his supporters and in 1746, the disastrous Battle of Culloden took place. The Hanoverians defeated the Jacobites and the Scottish Highlands were harried by British soldiers. The surviving Highlanders were subjected to imprisonment, execution and exile ( generally to the American Colonies). The Scottish Cape Fear settlement, in what is now Cumberland County, North Carolina, took in many of these refugees, some of whom would fight later for the British Crown in the American Revolution, as they were made to sign an oath of loyalty to the British King for their pardon and they would honor that oath. Others, raised in the New World with memories passed down to them of atrocities committed against their families by the British military that the Colonial leaders were trying to quit themselves of, would fight as Patriots in colonial militias and the Continental Army. Here are some links to back up what I just wrote:
    http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/...ings/index.asp,
    https://www.discovernorthernireland....f-Ulster-A1365, http://www.britannica.com/biography/...d-and-Scotland, http://www.derryswalls.com/hist-siege-1689.html, http://www.carolana.com/NC/Royal_Col...and_scots.html, http://www.historytoday.com/blog/201...pire/index.asp, http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...ution_01.shtml, http://www.electricscotland.com/hist...h_american.htm, http://www.britishbattles.com/battle_of_culloden.htm,
    http://www.celticlifeintl.com/a-reco...an-revolution/
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    This is a pretty good link that gets into the British Empire, it's contributions as well as it's more negative effects, told in a series of articles collected by a teacher: www.britishempire.co.uk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    As I understand it the difference lied in purpose this property was used for. One was godly - taking care of the poor, the other was devilish - building a global empire (sun never sets on the graves of its victims).
    I don't think the OP was claiming anything was in fact "godly" about the course of events that took place. He was just an historical summary of the events that led to birth of the British Empire, for a better or worse. I, for one, found it interesting.

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