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    Quote Originally Posted by Yyy View Post
    I thought it was the reverse, so that people who have thin skin or a low BMI often have yellow or dark skin and dark areas around the eyes, but people who have thick skin or higher BMI often have light or red skin and a low degree of dark areas around the eyes.
    If I had more time, I'd look up these things, but for now I will just write from my memories. I have heard opinions from Khanty people that their skin is quite thick, whereas European skin tends to be thin. And I can confirm that. My mother has thicker skin than me, and it is apparently good for cold winter conditions - less risk of a frostbite. She has been boasting from time to time how she can withstand cold better than "brave European guys" visiting Siberia, who, unlike her, have been getting frostbite on their cheeks, who can sit on snowmobile only half time in comparison to her etc. She also is proud about how elastic skin she has, with few wrinkles vs the "poor Europeans, who have bad, thin skin with loads of wrinkles in their old days".
    By the way, I don't believe skin thickness has anything to do with BMI.

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    The Val92Met SNP is probably not associated with freckles among Asians after all. One study tested 4 SNPs of the MC1R gene, including rs2228479 (Val92Met), but found that none of them were significantly associated with the presence of freckles among a sample of 111 Chinese individuals with freckles and 124 without freckles.

    Alfred has frequencies for a few SNPs of MC1R that are associated with red hair, even though it does not include Udmurt or Mari samples.

    The frequency of rs1805007 was .042, .074, and .086 among three Finnish samples, .040 among Khanty, .021 among Komi-Zyrians, and .050 among Chuvashes. It was the highest in Samaritans (.205), followed by two European American samples (.126 and .117, even though a third was .087), Poles (.110), Danes (.108), one British sample (.099, even though another British sample was .035), then one of the Finnish samples (.086), and then an Irish sample (.084).

    The frequencies of rs1805009 and rs1805006 were both the highest in an Irish sample, but were both zero in most samples, including Finns, Khanty, and Komi-Zyrians.

    No Finno-Ugric population was typed for rs1805008.

    The Komi-Zyrian sample consisted of people from a single village and the Khanty sample consisted of Northern Khanty.

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    what a ugly people.

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    This page features data for the frequency of hair color, eye color, and other anthropometric data among Finno-Ugric peoples (in Polish): https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/sta...ych-w-tabeli-2. The data was collected by the Estonian anthropologist Karin Mark between the 1952 and 1980, who personally performed measurements of approximately 13,000 people. The data was published in 2014 after her death in a book titled "Soome-ugri rahvaste fuusine antropoloogia" by Leiu Heapost. Here's an article about Karin Mark written by Leiu Heapost: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ist_Karin_Mark.

    Udmurts do have by far the highest frequency of red hair (4%) in the data set, followed by North-Eastern Finns (2%). The Google translation of the page linked above says the following: "Red hair is just 1-3 colors from the Fischer scale. Most of them occur in Udmurtów (on average 4%, locally up to 7%). I think that if I use the Fischer-Saller scale here, where there are six shades of red, the percentage of red hair would be higher."

    In the table below, 0 is light blond, 1 is blond, 2 is dark blond, 3 is brown, and 4 is dark brown or black. Red hair is also included in classes 1-3. The last column is for the total frequency of light-colored hair (classes 0-3).

    What could also be classified as "dark blond" is classified as "brown" in the table below. A quote from the Google translation of the page linked above says: "When it comes to brown hair, Mark described it as those on the Fischer scale , shades 6,7,8. Many anthropologists consider the shade of 8 to 7 for dark-blond hair."

    Code:
    Population                   0     1    2     3     4     red  light (0-3)
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    Curonian                     5    15    50    30    0     0    100
    Estonian                     2.2  4.4   27.9  51.5  14    0.2  86
    Votic                        0    2.4   24.4  58.6  14.6  0    85.4
    Ingrian                      0    2.5   20    62.5  15    0    85
    North-West Russian (Ostrów)  8.1  14.3  26.5  35.8  15.3  0    84.7
    Finnish (North-East)         1.7  3.1   21.2  55.7  18.3  2    81.7
    Mordvin (Teryukhan)          0    3.1   18.7  59.4  18.8  0    81.2
    Karelian                     0.6  0.6   24.5  54.2  20.1  0    79.9
    Mordvin (Karatai)            0    0     20.4  57.4  22.2  1.8  77.8
    Finnish                      3.6  4.9   21.7  47    22.8  0.5  77.2
    North Latvian (Limbazi)      3.2  6.3   24.3  42    24.2  0    75.8
    Swedish Finnish              0.8  2     18.5  54.4  24.3  1.4  75.7
    Izhorian                     2.2  1.1   20.4  47.3  29    0    71
    Komi-Zyrian                  1.2  1.2   16.1  51.7  29.8  0.9  70.2
    Erzya                        0.5  1.3   18.1  46.6  33.5  0.5  66.5
    Moksha                       0.2  1.7   14.1  47.3  36.7  0.3  63.3
    Vepsan                       3.9  1.9   14.4  42.3  37.5  0    62.5
    Komi-Permyak                 0.7  2.6   11.2  46.8  38.7  1.8  61.3
    Russian (Volga-Ural)         0.2  1.1   11.9  47.5  39.3  0.7  60.7
    Livonian                     0    1.9   13.2  41.5  43.4  0    56.6
    Udmurt                       0.9  1.5   14.3  37.3  46    4    54
    Saami                        0    0.6   9.7   42.4  47.3  0    52.7
    Udmurt (Besserman)           1.6  0     12.1  37.9  48.4  1.6  51.6
    Mari                         0    0.2   7.4   38.7  53.7  0.8  46.3
    Chuvash                      0    0.4   4.3   30.1  65.2  1.5  34.8
    Tatar                        0    0     4.5   27.7  67.8  0.8  32.2
    Mansi                        0    0     2.7   27.4  69.9  0    30.1
    Khanty                       0    0     2.2   22.2  75.6  0    24.4
    Bashkir                      0    0.3   0.3   16.7  82.7  0.6  17.3
    Below is also the data for eye color. 1 is light (said to correspond to 9-12 on the Bunak scale), 2 is medium or mixed (5-8 on the Bunak scale), and 3 is dark (1-4 on the Bunak scale).

    1: black; 2: dark brown; 3: light brown; 4: yellow
    5: dark-mixed; 6: green; 7: mixed gray-green; 8: gray with a ring
    9: gray; 10: gray blue; 11: light blue; 12: dark blue



    Code:
    Population                   1     2     3
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    Mordvin (Karatai)            50.8  49.2  0
    Finnish                      69    29    2
    Ingrian                      62.7  35.3  2
    Izhorian                     73    25    2
    Livonian                     66.3  31.3  2.4
    Curonian                     54.8  42.4  3
    Estonian                     66    31    3
    Finnish (North-East)         71.6  24.9  3.5
    Swedish Finnish              64.9  31.2  3.9
    North-West Russian (Ostrów)  67    29    4
    Karelian                     59.3  35.6  5.1
    North Latvian (Limbazi)      55.3  39    5.7
    Votic                        66.7  27    6.3
    Vepsan                       53.7  38.9  7.4
    Erzya                        54.8  37.7  7.5
    Russian (Volga-Ural)         45.1  47.4  7.5
    Komi-Zyrian                  45.9  44.7  9.4
    Moksha                       39.7  49.9  10.4
    Mordvin (Teryukhan)          55.8  32.7  11.5
    Saami                        35.3  51.3  13.4
    Komi-Permyak                 38.3  46.5  15.2
    Mari                         27.6  52.3  20.1
    Udmurt (Besserman)           30.4  48.6  21
    Udmurt                       28.4  47.7  23.9
    Chuvash                      16.7  54.3  29
    Tatar                        18.3  51.2  30.5
    Mansi                        6.7   58.6  34.7
    Bashkir                      9.2   49.6  41.2
    Khanty                       3.3   54.3  42.4
    I'm not sure if class 2 in the table above actually corresponds to classes 5-8 on the Bunak scale, because about half of even Bashkirs and Khanty are in class 2. Also more than 2% of Finnish people should have black or brown eyes.
    Last edited by Yyy; 2019-05-19 at 17:38.

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    Where red hair originated from is still a mystery to scientists. But it is believed to have originated in Norway thousands of years ago. probably from a mutation like the one that created blue eyes. All these red haired people on here have the gene that came from Norway. Just a few instances of inter-breeding with a Norwegian Viking could have caused this gene to spread among these peoples. Here is a video of a beautiful woman with red hair. She is one of the Nordic peoples and one of the last of her kind. Her people will not survive more than another 100 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBedBug View Post
    My dad when he was younger had auburn reddish hair :


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    Quote Originally Posted by perception View Post
    Where red hair originated from is still a mystery to scientists. But it is believed to have originated in Norway thousands of years ago. probably from a mutation like the one that created blue eyes. All these red haired people on here have the gene that came from Norway. Just a few instances of inter-breeding with a Norwegian Viking could have caused this gene to spread among these peoples. Here is a video of a beautiful woman with red hair. She is one of the Nordic peoples and one of the last of her kind. Her people will not survive more than another 100 years.

    I think Norwegian genes and Celtic genes , combined, from Ireland/Scotland give rise to the highest red hair. Many Irish people with no norse blood have red hair like I am talking 100% Brunn people.

    That being said I think it is socially acceptable to go off topic a bit here, as Evi does not post here, anymore, and post females from non-finno-ugric speaking groups :


    Lily Cole model from England :



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    Nicole Kidman :


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    Who are the Brunn? How do you know the Irish people have no Norse genes? All of southern Ireland was settled by Norwegians. As was most of Scotland. The Saxons kept them out of central and southern England. By the way, despite wishful claims, the Celtic civilization was annihilated by the Romans. Mainly Julius Caesar and his armies around 50 BC. His diaries claim he and his armies murdered 2 million of the "Gauls" as the Romans called them. However modern historians say he murdered or enslaved about 1 million of the Celtic peoples. Subsequent inter-breeding over the centuries obliterated what was left of the original Celtic peoples.

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    By the way, the Celtic peoples in Europe never had red hair. Every description of them by the ancient Romans in BC times were long yellow hair(they didn't have a word for blond), fierce blue eyes and milky white skin and rippling muscles. They were Nordic peoples that originated from the Danube Valley Civilization , possibly around 2500 BC.

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