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    Quote Originally Posted by Auduid View Post
    I don't have any problem standing by my family and friends in Durham and the West Riding who are more sensitive to the "working class" than those elsewhere, although it is true that I have links to the peerage as recently as the Windsors and others were established in the time of Cnut but whom lost their place under the Normans. We all used to be farmers and miners until Victoria, when into the textile mill villages we went until the auto industry took it's place in our pockets. Where registration goes, I'm only aware of Liberal voting in the West Riding during the reign of William IV and a geriatric cousin who's a Labour councilor in Durham more presently (he retired some years ago).

    All of my Yank family on the maternal side used to be Whig before Republican. We're all Protestants and both sets of grandparents, my godparents, were in the Anglican Communion. I'm a cultural warrior but irreverent about the establishment and in a country that rejected Cavaliers and Tories long before the Conservatives ran away to found Canada. Call me socialist all you want, but cooperatives and trade unionism (I've never been a union member and even told a representative off when he kept bothering me) including guilds predated Marx by many centuries.
    There's a distinction between socialism (of all flavours) which is statist to the point of totalitarianism and various kinds of welfarism and freely associative cooperativism which can only take place in a market economy. I made a post in "The "alt-left", Antifa etc." thread explaining the difference. I would hope not to have to call you a socialist (even a national one ) for the reasons better described by Elias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPretan View Post
    There's a distinction between socialism (of all flavours) which is statist to the point of totalitarianism and various kinds of welfarism and freely associative cooperativism which can only take place in a market economy. I made a post in "The "alt-left", Antifa etc." thread explaining the difference. I would hope not to have to call you a socialist (even a national one ) for the reasons better described by Elias.
    I already said I am a small government Whig. The freedom of association is pretty important to me. I am Lockean, not Hobbesian.

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