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    19.-22.09.2016 „Baltic Educational Histories. Interdisciplinary conference“ University of Tartu

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    The Baltic region holds a key position in terms of “education”: Through factors such as trade, Christianisation, the wars waged by the chivalric orders, and the importation of laws, the autochthonous peoples of the Baltic region were exposed to cultural, linguistic, and political influences of varying degrees. In this way, they were subjected to formative processes which are frequently compared with colonial practices. The cultures (German, Danish, Polish, Swedish, and Russian) which played a dominating role in the region established a wide array of economic, legal, religious, and cultural institutions; an army of specialists (officials, lawyers, clergymen, writers, teachers) was enlisted in order to firmly entrench their power—not least in the consciousness of the dominated peoples. To this end, and due to the post-Reformation requirement to use the native language, many of these specialists had to engage with the local cultures and languages. In the domains of journalism, literature, and academia, this led to greater reflection on the various Baltic languages and ethnic groups, and on the asymmetrical structural tensions between the dominant and subordinate cultures. The aim of the official legislation and cultural activity was to ensure the cultural and social survival of the ruling minorities. This state of affairs led to an extraordinary concentration of educational initiatives in the Baltic region, the effects of which were sometimes visible across Europe. If a deeply grounded colonial dimension of the German cultural history could be demonstrated, then here. In the cultural centres of power, scholars who had been integrated into the social order—often after having risen from a farming background—began to elaborate, from within the midst of and with the means of, but ultimately against, the dominant educational paradigms, conceptions of the distinctive cultural character of the various Baltic linguistic communities. From the time of the first “national awakening,” this was accompanied by the internal formation of the Baltic peoples, who often manifested symptoms of an “internal colonisation”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skomand View Post

    The Baltic region holds a key position in terms of “education”: Through factors such as trade, Christianisation, the wars waged by the chivalric orders, and the importation of laws, the autochthonous peoples of the Baltic region were exposed to cultural, linguistic, and political influences of varying degrees.
    The universities from the Baltic states that are known in our part of the world are Tartu University of Estonia and Vilnius University.

    Despite history and prestige of Tartu and Vilnius universities, the Belarusian State University outperformed Tartu and Vilnius Univirsites in the last 50-70 years. Belarusian State University has been consistently ranked among top 5 universities of former USSR universities and institutations. Right among well known universities such Moscow State, St. Petersburg State , Novosibirsk State, and Kiev universities.

    Belarus kept old school education. To get a basic degree in Belarus one needs to study for 5 years with around 8,000 contacts hours. Many Belarusians go to study in eastern Poland and western Russia because it's easier to obtain a degrees in these countries. In USA undegraduate degrees of our leading universities are evaluated equivalent to Master's degrees.

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    According to QS World University Rankings 2016-2017, the ranking of these universities among other universities in the world looks like this:

    University of Tartu 347
    Belarus state university 354
    Vilnius University 481-490
    University of Latvia 651-700

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    In response to the OP, Balts were not under Danish or Swedish influence. Danes only ruled parts of Estonia for hundreds of years, the capital still being called "Danish city" in Estonian. The Swedes step-by-step took over all of Estonia and left a big mark. They even got Northern-Latvia at one point, but back then modern-day Northern-Latvia had quite a lot of Estonians and Livonians (back then the Estonians lived ~80km southwards than the current border is). The Swedish rule of Northern-Latvia (and Riga) was quite short and didn't leave an impact, comparable to the very short Polish rule of Southern-Estonia in terms of insignificance. The Baltic region is interesting, it has 3 countries with quite different histories, culture, language and identity. There's catholic and abnormally religious (to my typical Nordic non-religious Lutheran eyes) Lithuania and then there's 60/40 Catholic/Lutheran Latvia which has a strong Finnic background and lastly Estonia which quite different from its Baltic neighbours in most regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evi View Post
    According to QS World University Rankings 2016-2017, the ranking of these universities among other universities in the world looks like this:

    University of Tartu 347
    Belarus state university 354
    Vilnius University 481-490
    University of Latvia 651-700
    I don't trust QS world ranking in regards to universities of former USSR republics. Tartu and Vilnius are good Universities. Particularly Tartu university in comparison to Universities and Institutions of the Baltic states. But Belarusian State University is better. It has better students and scholars. Call me biased if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    I don't trust QS world ranking in regards to universities of former USSR republics. Tartu and Vilnius are good Universities. Particularly Tartu university in comparison to Universities and Institutions of the Baltic states. But Belarusian State University is better. It has better students and scholars. Call me biased if you want.
    Not trusting QS rankings is a typical Russian conspiracy theory attitude that anything from the West is not to be trusted. Secondly, Belarus is a former USSR Republic, but Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are a former part of the Russian Empire, they didn't gain independence from the USSR, they restored their pre-WW2 republics. Some people in 1990 wanted to create a new post-Soviet Estonian Republic that would have given citizenship to all people living in it, but that didn't happen and only Estonian citizens and their offspring could vote before the restoration of independence if they want to restore it or not. There was an exile government from 1940 to 1992 for Estonia, which had ties to most Western countries.

    Lastly, Tartu university is not even comparable to any other university in the former Russian occupied world sphere. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

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    We know about our universities better than the rest of the world. Former USSR university ranking of 2013-2014

    1. Moscow State University
    2. Belarusian State Univerwsity
    3. St. Petersburg State University
    4. Kiev National University
    5. Vilnius University
    6. Novosibirs Research Institute
    7. Russian institue of Bauman - has quite a history in technology
    9. Tartu University . This is one of the oldest university in eastern Europe with good reputation.
    10. Tomsk University. The oldest university in Siberia and well known in Russia.

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    Belarusian State University is young in comparison to other universities. But has a good reputation since was established.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Põhjamaalane View Post
    Not trusting QS rankings is a typical Russian conspiracy theory attitude that anything from the West is not to be trusted. Secondly, Belarus is a former USSR Republic, but Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are a former part of the Russian Empire, they didn't gain independence from the USSR, they restored their pre-WW2 republics. Some people in 1990 wanted to create a new post-Soviet Estonian Republic that would have given citizenship to all people living in it, but that didn't happen and only Estonian citizens and their offspring could vote before the restoration of independence if they want to restore it or not. There was an exile government from 1940 to 1992 for Estonia, which had ties to most Western countries.

    Lastly, Tartu university is not even comparable to any other university in the former Russian occupied world sphere. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
    It's not a Russian conspiracy theory. I know about RS rankings. Currently, I am doing a postgraduate degree in a University that is consistently in top 30 universities of the world as per RS ranking.

    Tartu is a good university but it's not on par with leading Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, European or Universities of the rest of the world. Students and scholars define Universities and not the other way around. Tartu University doesn't have the resources and students (Estonia has a small population) as other Universities to be a leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    We know about our universities better than the rest of the world. Former USSR university ranking of 2013-2014

    1. Moscow State University
    2. Belarusian State Univerwsity
    3. St. Petersburg State University
    4. Kiev National University
    5. Vilnius University
    6. Novosibirs Research Institute
    7. Russian institue of Bauman - has quite a history in technology
    9. Tartu University . This is one of the oldest university in eastern Europe with good reputation.
    10. Tomsk University. The oldest university in Siberia and well known in Russia.

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    Belarusian State University is young in comparison to other universities. But has a good reputation since was established.


    I have visited the Moscow State University and the St. Petersburg State university as part of a delegation from Estonia.

    They are nothing compared to Tartu university. They might be comparable to Tallinn University and Tallinn University of Technology, but not to Tartu.

    But I don't want to burst your bubble, so just ignore me if you wish.

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    Tartu is a good University, particularly in linguistic disciplines. But it falls short of Universities such as Moscow State, St. Petersburg State, Belarusian State, Kiev National. You don't have many renowned scholars and talented students winning international competitions and Olympiads. For small country such as Estonia, Tartu University is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Põhjamaalane View Post
    I have visited the Moscow State University and the St. Petersburg State university as part of a delegation from Estonia.

    They are nothing compared to Tartu university. They might be comparable to Tallinn University and Tallinn University of Technology, but not to Tartu.

    But I don't want to burst your bubble, so just ignore me if you wish.
    Look at the achievements of students of Moscow state University. And world-wide known scholars who worked and work in Moscow state University. Moscow State University has been a corner stone in research and education in eastern Europe since its inception. This is true irrespective what we think of the Russians.

    If you like RS ranking (to me it's meaningless) Moscow State is ranked higher than Tartu.
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    Russia is a land of opposites. On one hand there internationally high ranking universities like Moscow State University, on other hand there are really bad regional universities. I have seen this year a bachelor work of one undergraduate from one regional North-Western Siberian university (I will not name it's name). That work was done in the field of Environmental sciences, something I am quite familiar with. The graduated student said that he got the highest mark about his work. I asked him to give me a glance to his work, and I was astounded by what I saw. No section of methods, no independent research carried out (it was actually more like literature review than anything else), and on top of that he was FORBIDDEN to write about problems in his study area that were caused by oil and gas industries! That is so absurd, because most of ecological problems in North-Western Siberia are caused exactly by these industries, and his work without mentioning them is a joke. But he at least got good grade from his university...


    Returning to RS ranking. Of course it is not the only university ranking list, there exist several others too. But I will stick to it for a while, as it provides some Western Anglo-Saxon view on universities.
    Some universities that might be in our interest field.

    Lund University (Sweden) 73
    University of Helsinki (Finland) 91
    KTH Royal Institute of Technology (Sweden) 97
    Uppsala University (Sweden) 98
    Lomonosov Moscow State University (Russia) 108
    Aalto University (Finland) 133
    University of Turku (Finland) 234
    Saint-Petersburg State University 258
    Novosibirsk State University (Russia) 291


    So yeah, several Russian universities are quite high ranking, actually higher than any educational institute from Baltic countries.


    But talking about that regional university from North-Western Siberia, it's not even mentioned in QS university lists.

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