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    I bought Polako's Global25 for myself and my parents.

    We get Czecho-Slovakian results in this calculator. But that's because all of Polako's Polish samples are Mazovians. He didn't use Harvard's Sorbs, Poznań Poles and Lublin Poles for this calc.:

    http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2016...s-dataset.html

    These Harvard's samples are not publicly available, and also they are relatively low coverage.

    Behar 2013, "No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews", has 11 Poles from Estonia and 7 Poles from Poland. I checked Supplemental File 1 to see their origins.

    Geographical coordinates for these 7 Poles are listed there as 52.9743978146, 19.6763955101 (which is in Mazovia), but according to Polako, they are actually from Warsaw (also in Mazovia).

    These 7 Poles from Behar 2013 are publicly available. I checked their results and compared them with my regional non-academic regional Polish samples. They plot with other Mazovians indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioterus View Post
    It was already cited several times in AFB so I am not posting excerpts anymore
    This Kushniarevich 2015 study is using exactly the same samples as Behar 2013.

    They used autosomal DNA data of 11 Poles from Estonia and 7 from Mazovia.
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    Why are genetic studies sampling Mazovians and not Greater Poles? We are the "original Poles":

    http://www.pgsca.org/History_of_Pola...st_Dynasty.htm





    Polish borders in 1000 AD, compared to main centers of the Polish army per Gallus Anonymus:

    https://brego-weard.com/lib/ns/The_A...and_Discov.pdf



    Poland around 1250 AD:



    Polish-Rus borderlands:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioterus View Post
    (I would say this would mean all North Slavs if true)
    Nope, I did not mean all North Slavs. And I did not even mean North-Eastern Poles.

    As you can see here, North-Eastern Poland was never inhabited by Germanic tribes:

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=1#post1335411



    However, I do not exclude Germanic admixtures in East Slavs.

    I started a thread about this issue on Apricity some time ago:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4985241
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Why are genetic studies sampling Mazovians and not Greater Poles? We are the "original Poles"
    This is our revenge for the Slaughter of Masovia after Masław Pagan Rebellion

    And obvious thing is obvious - ever since Rainy City started to be the capital of Poland, it all went to hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    What do you think about my map? Would you change or add anything? Borders of regions go along year 1900 county borders (if you wonder what was my rationale for some decisions, just ask me):



    See here: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=1#post1322779
    Your map is great. It gives a nice representation of the Polish density in various regions. I found the map below a bit confusing but very effective showing how drastically the Polish political lines changed over the centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Interesting, you and I are about as north African, it seems. I'm not sure, but I bet my north African ancestor(s) was a Coptic Christian.

    I also completely agree with what you said on 23andMe's raw data and so on. The raw data is good stuff, the rest of their service sucks and 23andMe has been downgrading their service for years.
    Not really. The AJ and North African is very likely my Jewish ancestry that I just recently uncovered. I have a great great grandfather who we now believe was born Jewish and married a Roman Catholic Pole. W believe he then assimilated into the Roman Catholic Polish community. His last name was also ambiguously Jewish or Polish.

    23andme's interpretation and reports have not improved at all. In my opinion what has improved is 23andme's DNA relatives. I was able to uncover my Jewish ancestry and a bunch of Jewish matches due to the updates done to DNA. As we both agree the real treasure with 23andme is the raw data.

    And finally I noticed 23andme is updating their Ancestry Composition! I see the following at my 23andme web portal.

    Coming soon!
    23andMe's Ancestry Composition update with 120 additional regions will be coming soon to all customers.
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