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  • Khantis

    3 23.08%
  • Mansis

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  • Komis

    0 0%
  • Udmurts

    0 0%
  • Maris

    0 0%
  • Erzas

    1 7.69%
  • Mokshas

    0 0%
  • Karelians

    1 7.69%
  • Finns

    1 7.69%
  • Votics, Izhorians, Vepses

    0 0%
  • Estonians

    2 15.38%
  • South-Estonians

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  • Livs

    2 15.38%
  • Saami

    1 7.69%
  • Hungarians

    2 15.38%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Finn View Post
    The questionmark emphasizes the fact that the reconstruction is only a possibility. However, as Sutrop mentions, Ilen/Yhlen ( following the common Baltic Finnic model) is a medieval Livonian patronym i.e. isikunime. None of the Non Finnic surnames you mentioned were even present before 18th century, only few of them are apparently based on older Latin forms such as Castrenius.

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    We have hundreds names all over Europe ending to *en.

    Getting back to the original sidestep, most probable explanation of the name Ikskile is a bridge or an other type of crossing located on an island of Daugava and managed by a Livonian family called Ikäinen/Ikeinen/Ikoinen, hence ?*Ikoisenkalla.
    The most common original descriptive meaning for kalla in Finnish is a rocky island. Take a look at the kansalaisen karttapaikka. It is likely moved to new settlements from the seaside. Kalla-names are very old on the seaside, older than the eastern settlements. It can have another meaning in Livonia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Maybe they were Livonian Vends?
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    I see a parallelism between kalla and ford. Both can orginally mean shoal, because typical kallas in Finland are small rocky islands lying on sea shoals, the oldest are already hills kilometers away from the coast line. Those shoals on the open sea were fishing places. Due to the still in Finland continuing upthrust of the mainland uplifts shoals and create islands.

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    The upthrust is in Finland on aveage 5 mm in year. It means 0.5 m in 100 years, and 5 m vertical movement in thousans years. In 2000 years, which is the assumed time of the arrival of Finns, the vertical movement has been 10 meters. The coast line has moved tens kilometers. The finesse here is that we can date inland and seaside place names if they figure known marine phenomenons, for example kalla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evi View Post
    Western world isn't religious or "spiritual" and therefore all these "outer" things.

    Khanty traditional religion has such understandings as "afterlife" and "reincarnation", and people believe, that their bad demeanor will come back to them eventually. The Western world often has no such concepts, people talk about just "one life" and that leads people to pay attention to very worldly things, such as outer appearance, "achievements" etc.
    Good post Evi.
    On nondual soul level - one can sometimes remember past lives, if they figure strongly in this life.
    Which is why, one can remember places of the past in great detail, even though one has never visited them (or had not known about them previously).
    People sometimes mix this up with New Age concepts, which it isn’t at all.
    Communicating with the departed is very common among the indigenous, so much so, that it is almost a norm.

    Both worlds have positive and negative sides to them. Khanty spirituality has made them to be vulnerable to those, who were seeking preys, but Western anti-spirituality has made life in overall non-sustainable.
    Had we lived the old hunter-gatherer life and spirituality, we would not have developed far beyond the “stone age”, but the modern world as it is – we are destroying the planet.
    A new found balance is sorely needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yyy View Post
    Khanty also look a lot better and healthier on average than let's say ethnic Russians or Finnish people.
    Interestingly, I agree, as Khanty, although I have seen them only in pictures have in my opinion sort of healthy and "close-to-the nature" look and that is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yyy View Post
    Khanty, because the best people are the ones who are the least far on the axis where hunter-gatherers are at one end and Instagrammer-YouTubers are at the other end.

    Khanty also look a lot better and healthier on average than let's say ethnic Russians or Finnish people.
    you mean the 'Khanty' on all these manipulated photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Noi View Post
    you mean the 'Khanty' on all these manipulated photos.
    What do you mean by "manipulated"? Photo-shopped?

    Or are you doubting in legitimacy of these people to be Khanty? You mean, they are cherrypicked or they aren't Khanty at all?

    Are you doubting also videos? Here you can not only see Khanty people, but also hear the language (they speak Russian too from time to time, though), songs and see some traditions (they are actually rehearsing wedding traditions) and food (including raw, frozen meat and fish):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyXBUxbsvkM

    Would you say that this video is manipulated too?
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