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    Quote Originally Posted by Simi View Post
    They were ad hoc projects of total warfare and didn't have much ideological content of their own. Fascism is invasive surgery particular to a certain time and place, and is not well designed for posterity.
    You have no clue what you are talking about.
    Fascist parties depended and needed control of the people, just like communist parties depended and needed control of the people.
    Their programs, rhetorics, and appearance could not have exceeded the capacity of the masses.
    Hitler was a good actor, a threatrical performer. See modern neo-nazi parties, they are the exact same shit and only imbeciles believe their bullshit.

    Fascism, like democracy does not have a single philosopher/economist behind it like communism does.
    Does this mean that they don't have philosophical and ideological backgrounds??? Think again.
    But that background definitely does not come from Hitler's mein campf or musolonis bullshit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simi View Post
    (Hitler did nothing wrong)
    Hitler caused unimaginable destruction and death to everyone in Europe. He committed crimes against humanity.
    He was shit just like the communists he was fighting against and he was definitely worse than the "democratic" capitalists that destroyed him.

    His personal ambition exceeded his ability because he was simply not good enought - he was inferior, not very intelligent, he had no good education or any scientific knowledge, he had shit judgement, huge complexes that wouldn't let his generals fight the war right, he was an asshole and a drug addict, a junkie, a failed artist, a perverted guy who fucked his own niece until she committed suicide, a man who had such a huge stick up his ass that he couldn't even hug that poor girl Eva Brown. A guy who had a bastard father, who was a peasant, who himself is said to have been sexually abused by a Jewish man as a child...

    Hitler did nothing wrong?
    "US/UK capitalists fight Germany, let's kill some milions of innocent people"
    "Mmmmkay, let's invade the soviet union while the British and Americans plan to bomb the shit out of everything and then invade us".
    "Japan bombs pearl harbor, let's declare war to the Americans and give them an excuse".
    "Make Germany great by making all of Europe hate Germany, even the Germanics need to hate Germany."
    "Act like assholes in eastern europe and make everyone join the red army and fight hard"
    "Rudolph Hess lands on UK to negotiate peace. -> we don't want peace, Hess has psychological problems"
    "Designers make Me. 262... But it needs to be a bomber!"
    "Germany is loosing the war ... Resign and make peace? No, let's make sure that Germany will get completely destroyed... And now ... where is that morphine shot???"

    Nazis were comparable only to Gypsies. Stealing, destroying, deceiving, exploiting. Unable to produce anything of high cultural value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Free healthcare and free education for all, has like been the core and defining egalitarian element of pretty much any leftist/progressive movement since Christianity (you know, Jesus healed the sick and fed the poor, that sort of stuff, and yes, I'd argue Christianity was a leftist egalitarian movement also, certainly in comparison with the more conservative character of Judaism, anyway). And free healthcare and free education were also Bernie Sanders' main policies, for a reason, whereas the Republicans are opposed to that sort of stuff (because you can't profit from free of charge policies). Capitalists are and have always been opposed to free stuff, because they're not left-wingers. If capitalists had everything their way, only a percentage of humanity would have free health care and free education, you know, just as it was back in the Bronze Age, when most people were illiterate and very few had proper healthcare. There's a reason leftists call capitalists, reactionary (as in striving backwards). I mean what the hell is so progressive and futuristic about coal based energy, as opposed to renewable energy, as a case in point?

    Homosexuality was taboo and declared a mental illness in Sweden until the 1970s, and Sweden also practiced large scale forced sterilizations (Sweden has never really been a Nazi state, but socialist throughout its modern history), and eugenics was a major movement in the US also (not at the government level, but it was influential there too, for sure). The Soviets weren't exactly liberal in their music and art policies (creative culture had to conform to Soviet government propaganda and such). I mean shit, you think you could sell gangsta rap in the Soviet Union?

    The main difference between Nazism and Communism, is that the Nazis were nationalists, whereas Communists were internationalists. I guess you can argue that nationalism is more right-leaning, but other than that, Nazism was definitely left-leaning in pretty much everything else.

    I mean you do know that Nazism was strongly anti-Christianity just like the Communists (but for different reasons than the Communists were opposed to Christianity), anti-monarchy just like the Communists, anti-Capitalists just like the Communists, and so on, right? Aside from the pro-tribalism sentiments of the Nazis, what exactly was right-wing about Hitler and his posse?

    People mistakenly believe that nationalism or anti-nationalism is the only defining factor in classifying an ideology as right or left wing, but you can't look at it based on only one element like that. You have to judge the entire ideology and its other foundations too. Like I said: at best you can argue Nazism was a centrist ideology, but even so, it was definitely very left-leaning compared to mainstream right-wing Western political movements, which are far more favorable of religion/Christianity, individualism/freedom and money/Capitalism.
    Yes, this is correct. Both Nazism and Communism was about control and banning. I am amazed that MnM hasn't understood that the reason there are gay parades and art and music in America that he doesn't like is because of the first ammendment.

    MnM, read about LGBT in Soviet, not exactly what you associate with leftism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_h...a#Soviet_Union
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    Quote Originally Posted by ageladakos View Post
    Hitler caused unimaginable destruction and death to everyone in Europe. He committed crimes against humanity.
    He was shit just like the communists he was fighting against and he was definitely worse than the "democratic" capitalists that destroyed him.
    His personal ambition exceeded his ability because he was simply not good enought - he was inferior, not very intelligent, he had no good education or any scientific knowledge, he had shit judgement, huge complexes that wouldn't let his generals fight the war right, he was an asshole and a drug addict, a junkie, a failed artist, a perverted guy who fucked his own niece until she committed suicide, a man who had such a huge stick up his ass that he couldn't even hug that poor girl Eva Brown. A guy who had a bastard father, who was a peasant, who himself is said to have been sexually abused by a Jewish man as a child...
    You are absolutely deranged. Are all retired beach greasers like this?

    The entire 20th century was a tragedy and an experiment, which unfortunately hasn't ended yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simi View Post
    You are absolutely deranged. Are all retired beach greasers like this?

    The entire 20th century was a tragedy and an experiment, which unfortunately haven't ended yet.
    What did Hitler achieve for Germany?



    Everything I wrote is true, and you are just a neonazi imbecile that can't stand the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ageladakos View Post
    What did Hitler achieve for Germany?

    If you were honest you'd admit that Germany would have ended up in Judeo-Bolshevik hell 10 years earlier, if they didn't resist it. Without Hitler the war would have happened anyway, and the Soviet Union just might have captured all of Europe if Germany didn't sacrifice itself exhausting the Red army.

    What am I expecting from a domesticated Albanian anyway. You don't belong in Europe and don't have a stake in our future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simi View Post
    If you were honest you'd admit that Germany would have ended up in Judeo-Bolshevik hell 10 years earlier, if they didn't resist it. Without Hitler the war would have happened anyway, and the Soviet Union just might have captured all of Europe if Germany didn't sacrifice itself exhausting the Red army.
    Do you think that without Hitler/Stalin alliance against Poland Soviets would dare to attack Europe? I find it very improbable.

    Quote Originally Posted by WIKIPEDIA
    Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?, by Viktor Suvorov (Russian title: Ledokol, Ледокол) is a book which leads a reader to believe that Stalin used Nazi Germany as an "icebreaker" to start a war in Europe which would allow for the Soviet Union to come in, clean up, and take control of all of Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Do you think that without Hitler/Stalin alliance against Poland Soviets would dare to attack Europe? I find it very improbable.
    The Hitler/Stalin alliance was just a formality. Authoritarian, militarized governments in both countries was a MAD situation so the Molotov-Ribbentrop NAP existed regardless of treaties. Without a militarized and authoritarian Germany, who knows what would happen. There's a chance Germany would be a Communist puppet without Hitler, in which case Poland and Europe would be equally fucked.

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    The Treaty of Versailles at the end of WWI was unnecessarily harsh. I think it made WWII largely inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simi View Post
    If you were honest you'd admit that Germany would have ended up in Judeo-Bolshevik hell 10 years earlier, if they didn't resist it. Without Hitler the war would have happened anyway, and the Soviet Union just might have captured all of Europe if Germany didn't sacrifice itself exhausting the Red army.

    What am I expecting from a domesticated Albanian anyway. You don't belong in Europe and don't have a stake in our future.
    Ahhahahahahhahahahhaha
    What the fuck is this imaginary bullshit?

    Nazi Germany didn't protect shit from communism. They ruined all of eastern europe and allowed the communists to take over easily after they lost ww2. Soviets occupied half of Europe BECAUSE of Hitler's stupidity.

    Facts:
    1) Fascism was not invented by Hitler, it started by the Italians (If I am not wrong)
    2) Most Europe countries had fascist regimes in 1930
    3) Most European countries were persecuting the communists, there was no communist threat.
    4) UK & USA did not like communists either.
    5) The soviet union was not "judeo-Bolshevik" at Hitler's time. Josef Stalin the Georgian was in charge and he had killed most of them, see Stalinism, or watch one of Trotsky's videos
    6) During 1936-1938, Stalin did the great purge and exterminated most of his high ranking military men.
    7) In the beginning of ww2, the Russians had crappy ancient military gear. The soviet union was not ready to fight the war and this is why they had so many casualties.
    8) Ribbentrop - Molotov agreement was signed and soviets did not expect an invasion anyway.
    9) Hitler was in war with Britain already when he invaded Russia.

    Hitler's mistake was defying the international capitalists.
    Hitler's mistake was not finding a peaceful solution with Chamberlain.
    Hitler's mistake was oppressing and occupying other Europeans.
    Hitler's mistake was declaring war on USA.
    Hitler's greatest mistake was invading the Soviet Union.
    Mistake after mistake. Do you know what Klausewitz would say? No, you don't but you can google it.
    What happened next? He lost the war, his party members were executed, his country was split in half, and nearly all of eastern Europe with the exceptions of Finland and Greece were occupied by the communists for about half a century.

    For the personal stupid shit, suck my bills Simi.
    Uneducated neo-nazi idiot.
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