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Thread: Assyrian Remains Discovered from Neo-Assyrian Period in Arbela (Erbil)87 days old

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    Default Assyrian Remains Discovered from Neo-Assyrian Period in Arbela (Erbil)

    A vaulted tomb that dates back to the time of the Assyrian Empire has accidentally been discovered by construction workers in Erbil, the capital city of Iraqi Kurdistan. The tomb held three ceramic sarcophagi, two of which held remains, and another eight skeletons were discovered lying on the floor of the tomb. Additionally, the research team led by Goran M. Amin with the Directorate of Antiquities in Erbil, discovered over 40 jars in various sizes and shapes still intact.
    http://www.newhistorian.com/neo-assy...red-iraq/8286/

    Since the Assyrian Empire was said to be multiethnic, especially with mass relocation/deportation policies, I wonder what these remains would test as and what their level of sameness to the current Assyrian population and nearby groups would be as well as to other old samples, like Chalcolithic Armenians.

    Who knows, though. Kurdis Ay-rabs tend to destroy or deface our historical artifacts when they don't claim it as their own.

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    Thanks "The Apple" for starting the thread.
    I read about it about a month ago. I hope that they will run DNA tests and hopefully publish the results. It would really be very interesting to see how we compare to our ancient ancestors.

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    I doubt they'll be DNA testing those remains, but it's as good an opportunity as any, to do some ancient DNA work here. Of course those remains will have highest genome similarity with us, and Armenians second, no doubt about it.

    Assyrians in America should lobby Nature.com or similar journals, and fund a study on those remains. But Assyrians are too iGnorant anyway, to care about this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I doubt they'll be DNA testing those remains, but it's as good an opportunity as any, to do some ancient DNA work here. Of course those remains will have highest genome similarity with us, and Armenians second, no doubt about it.

    Assyrians in America should lobby Nature.com or similar journals, and fund a study on those remains. But Assyrians are too iGnorant anyway, to care about this stuff.
    You are right, I don't think that there has been any interest in the scientific community for testing ancient Assyrian DNA found earlier.
    Other ancient Assyrian remains were also found in Kalhu in 1988 where archaeologists found lots of artifacts & few hundred pounds of gold jewelry on the remains of a couple Assyrian queens, but doesn't seem to be any DNA tests done on them (Or at least nothing has been published).
    Also in Nineveh, quite a few skeletal remains were found back in the seventies of the twentieth century some with arrows lodged in their bones most likely from during the battles the led to the destruction of the city in 612 BC.

    Removed by some 120 generations, do you think that we actually might still share large amount of autosomal DNA with our ancient Assyrian ancestors?
    Or maybe we will just share haplotypes?

    Most likely Kurdish authorities will have ownership (custody) of those skeletal remains found recently in Arbela which probably will not give permissions to anyone to run DNA tests on them.
    We don't have any real representation in neither Iraqi nor the autonomous Kurdish government to be in a position to ask for such tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aschtnaya View Post
    You are right, I don't think that there has been any interest in the scientific community for testing ancient Assyrian DNA found earlier.
    That right there tells you a lot about what's wrong with the world, and if anything, with Assyrians also

    Quote Originally Posted by Aschtnaya View Post
    Other ancient Assyrian remains were also found in Kalhu in 1988 where archaeologists found lots of artifacts & few hundred pounds of gold jewelry on the remains of a couple Assyrian queens, but doesn't seem to be any DNA tests done on them (Or at least nothing has been published).
    No ancient remains got tested back in the 1980s, and these remains have likely fallen into obscurity now. It's of course up to us, the Assyrian diaspora, to push for the DNA testing of these remains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aschtnaya View Post
    Also in Nineveh, quite a few skeletal remains were found back in the seventies of the twentieth century some with arrows lodged in their bones most likely from during the battles the led to the destruction of the city in 612 BC.
    Cool. It should be pointed out though, that such remains from warfare, may not always be Assyrians; could be Scythians or something, who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aschtnaya View Post
    Removed by some 120 generations, do you think that we actually might still share large amount of autosomal DNA with our ancient Assyrian ancestors?
    Undoubtedly. I don't think we've changed much at all to be honest. Perhaps we've received somewhat Indo-European admixture since then, but it's so low it barely counts (I mean we have like 1-2% of the north European component on average, and a tiny bit of R1a). This most likely comes from Armenians though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aschtnaya View Post
    Or maybe we will just share haplotypes?
    I think we'll have pretty much the same haplogroups as the ancient Assyrians did, perhaps with a somewhat different distribution though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aschtnaya View Post
    Most likely Kurdish authorities will have ownership (custody) of those skeletal remains found recently in Arbela which probably will not give permissions to anyone to run DNA tests on them.
    We don't have any real representation in neither Iraqi nor the autonomous Kurdish government to be in a position to ask for such tests.
    It's of course in the ethnic interests of Kurds to deny us any DNA testing of ancient Assyrian remains (why would they give us the possibility to link to the indigenous population of the region they're occupying?).
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    It would be nice if we could finally get some data from Mesopotamia, it's literally a blank spot on the map of ancient DNA right now.
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