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    Default Haplogroup R1b sino-caucasian or indo-european?

    Anatole Klyosov thinks that R1a spoke proto IE language and R1b spoke proto turkic language. He doesn't agree with Kurgan hypothesis.

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...enealogyEn.htm

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    Anatole Klyosov shouldn't be taken seriously, and anything he says (even when correct) should be disregarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Anatole Klyosov shouldn't be taken seriously, and anything he says (even when correct) should be disregarded.
    He has genetic references and quite convincing. He is a scientist. Why should be ignored?

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    Klyosov does not have a good reputation among known Russian scientists to put it mildly. As Alias stated he is not taken seriously when it comes to the science of genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    Klyosov does not have a good reputation among known Russian scientists to put it mildly. As Alias stated he is not taken seriously when it comes to the science of genetics.
    With no specific reason? Because they dislike what he claim?

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    His theory is reasonable with references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    With no specific reason? Because they dislike what he claim?

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    His theory is reasonable with references.
    In the field of science claims are substantiated with arguments and facts. He makes pseudo-scientific claims pointed out by many scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    In the field of science claims are substantiated with arguments and facts. He makes pseudo-scientific claims pointed out by many scientists.
    Such as?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    Such as?
    About the origins of Indo-Europeans, Russians and earliest humans.

    Articles by Russian geneticists on Klysov' phenomen : http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=520
    Article by a leading Russian population geneticist Elena Balanovskaya on Klysov's pseudo-scientific claims: http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=585
    An article by Vadim Verenich : http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=604

    There are articles on Klyosov's claims by archaelogists, historians, linguists and anthropologists most are on http://http://генофонд.рф/

    Klyosovshina (Klyosov's claims) and pseudo-science became synonymous a long time ago in many circles.

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    Klyosov specialises in chemical kinetics using "DNA-genealogy" (as he names it) Y-chromosome marker to answer all questions about the origins of different people. He disregards genome-wide data, history, archaeogology, linguistic to make various claims about the origins of people.

    Some of his claims

    The history of Slavs is 9,000 years of age. Scandinavians spawned from the Slavs
    All earliest Slavs had R1a1 marker only. All people all the way to Arabian peninsula carrying R1a1 marker are descendants of Slavs.
    Ancestors of Eastern Slavs belong to R1a1. He mixes up socio-linguistic groups with the groups of people carrying a certain Y-chromosome marker
    Members of R1a1 clan lived in the Balkans 12,000 years ago. After 200 generations they moved to east European plain (central Russia) and 4,500 years ago ancestors of Russians and Ukrainians appeared in east European plain. Five hundreds later, 4,000 years ago, some people of R1a1 clan moved to southern Ural and further south to India.
    The theory of origins of mankind in Africa is false. The birthplace of modern humans is in the east European plain (central Russia) or northern part of east European plain - just north of Moscow.From there some people moved south, then to Africa.

    Aryans are Slavs, and Slavs are Aryans.

    As per 'DNA-genealogy' Aryans and Slavs have only common ancestor, thus the language of Aryans and Slavs have a common linguistic ancestor.

    Reference: article published by Russian scientists http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=520

    There are many other such claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Anatole Klyosov shouldn't be taken seriously, and anything he says (even when correct) should be disregarded.
    His methods are pretty much entirely illegitimate to begin with. But that's above the point, "Sino-Caucasian" is a crackpot theory.
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