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    Am I reading this right, as much as 50% (!) of I1-M253?:

    https://www.academia.edu/33791135/20..._DNA_libraries

    "Here, we present the analysis of Y-chromosome obtained from seventeen, not yet reported, ancient male samples excavated from different burial sites in Poland: Kowalewko (Roman Iron Age), Maslomecz (Roman Iron Age), Legowo (early Middle Ages) and Niemcza (early Middle Ages).

    We successfully assigned haplogroups to sixteen individuals. Eight belonged to haplogroup I1 (I-M253). Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237) and one to I1a2a (I-Z59). I1 is the most common haplogroup in present day Scandinavia, and it is found in all places invaded by ancient Germanic tribes and Vikings. Four samples belonged to haplogroup G2a (G-P15) which is spread uniformly throughout Europe. Other individuals were assigned to I2a2 (I-M436), R1a (R-M420), R1bl (R-L278), E1b1 (E-P2). The next portion of samples is under investigation. With this study we hope to shed new light into the genetic structure of populations inhabiting lands of contemporary Poland during the Roman Iron Age and the Middle Ages."


    So out of 16:

    8 I1 (I-M253)
    - 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
    - 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
    - 4 just I-M253

    4 G2a (G-P15)

    1 I2a2 (I-m436)
    1 R1a M420
    1 R1b1 (R-L278)
    1 E1b1 (E-P2)

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    Compare with 12 samples from Görzig (Saxony-Anhalt) dated to 300-400s AD:

    I1 -------------------------------------------- 7 (~58%)
    I (likely I2 but can be some Russian clade of I1) ------ 1 (~8%)
    R1b ------------------------------------------ 1 (~8%)
    R1 (most likely R1a, or some eastern R1b) ---------- 1 (~8%)
    R1 (likely R1b but can be R1a-Z284 or L664) -------- 2 (~17%)

    Source (see Table 3. on page 6 out of 7):

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...wanderungszeit

    Location of Görzig:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    We successfully assigned haplogroups to sixteen individuals. Eight belonged to haplogroup I1 (I-M253). Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237) (...)
    Cousins?

    Regnum Sclavorum, Gothorum sive Polonorum
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    Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
    Subclade I-L1237 on YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L1237/

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    Cousins?
    It seems that you are their ancestor.

    Because you are S2078, and they are one level downstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Subclade I-L1237 on YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L1237/



    It seems that you are their ancestor.

    Because you are S2078, and they are one level downstream.
    Should I assume the title of "Gothorum Rex" then or is it premature?
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    Or maybe Pater Gothorum ???

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    Damn... we're in a big surprise here. What does it mean? PoloNormans invading Scandinavia in fear of incoming aR1ans? WTF?
    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

    “We know each other,” he agreed. “They say that you follow in my steps.”
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    Geralt remained silent. Tired, he had nothing to say. “How... How will it happen?” he asked her at last, coldly and without emotion. “I will take you by the hand,” she replied, looking him straight in the eye. “I will take you by the hand and lead you across the meadow, through a cold and wet fog.” “And after? What is there beyond the fog?” “Nothing,” she replied, smiling. “After that, there is nothing.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Or maybe Pater Gothorum ???
    Maybe even Pater and Mater Gothorum:

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela

    U3 in pre-modern Europe has been found in:
    Dnieper-Donets Ukraine-5474-5225 B.C.
    LBK Neolithic in Germany-5,000 B.C.
    Wielbark Culture Poland-0-300 A.D.
    Skovgaard Denmark-200 A.D.
    Zavalar-Kapolna Tomb Hungary-1100 A.D.
    Cumanian people in Hungary (a semi Nomadic Turkic speaking people)-1200 A.D.



    Will I have to fight for the title with this guy:





    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Or maybe Pater Gothorum ???
    You mean... a Gothic Vader (Vader = Father)



    and the IEEE Milestone for breaking the Enigma Code goes to... Polish Cipher Bureau 1932-39

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    In regards of "Gothorum Rex" title I will have to talk to Waldemar, who posts here from time to time:

    Quote Originally Posted by WIKIPEDIA
    The first Danish king to use the title was King Valdemar IV (reigned 1340 to 1375), who adopted it in 1362[3] after conquering Gotland the previous year.
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